<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default">Thank you, everyone, for chipping in and sorry I am responding to this thread, it seems like there are a lot of questions and I thought I do not burden Renata. </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">First of all, I will source funding from somewhere else and there is no need to fund this event through NCUC. I have already sourced funding from ICANN. Thank you for your consideration.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Now if you would like, you can read on. </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">We had funded this event in Mexico, where I had disclosed all the cost estimates and the expenses and reported back on every step and reported to the chair and EC at the time. It is not an unusual request to ask for expenses just that I do not really have any cost estimate at the moment other than what I initially said: we need to raise money for catering (2200 CHF) and the rest would go to funding partially some travellers who register and request funding (we don't know who yet they will be selected by the programme committee like last year and they are members of the networks so they could be NCUC members and members of other civil soc networks). EFF is going to fund we don't know the amount yet, ICANN is giving us 1500 USD (it is not advisable for ICANN to fund the civil society day more than this, it comes across as if they want to dominate which is not good). So two simple functions: </div><div class="gmail_default">- partial funding for travelers (selected by the programme committee) + </div><div class="gmail_default">- catering. </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">As for the venue, Diplo will host the event. </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">I could not tell how many participants we were going to support because we wanted to do this based on the pot of money we gathered and the requested amount by the travelers, which we do not have yet but I would have surely reported back. </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">As to my plans for promoting NCUC, I am very glad to hear that you request such plans, it is very important. I had plans to first have an opening of 30 minutes with an NCUC rep and Jovan from Diplo, to open the meeting which is a great way of promoting NCUC (Diplo is providing the venue i.e. hosting it so we would have been co-sponsors opening the meeting) . As you can see from the agenda we will also have 15-minute pitch to talk about NCUC. I was also planning to present the work of NCUC on content regulation on the first segment of the first session which is about private ordering.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Now, I will try and carry out all the abovementioned, but probably it will be less (for example no co-introduction since we are not sponsoring and no pitch on NCUC). </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Thanks again and apologies again for posting on this thread. I wanted this to be recorded and open for everyone to read and not to burden Renata.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Best </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Farzaneh </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"> </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"> </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi <div><br></div><div>For outreach future, we will soon get to review the Outreach form according to our Operating Procedures</div><div><br></div><div>About meeting on anything related to IGF, sorry we don't have any more time. </div><div><br></div><div>For all CS day queries, contact Farzaneh</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Elsa S <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:elsa.saade@gmail.com" target="_blank">elsa.saade@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Hi Renata,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Thanks for the reply. For future events I think it would be better to have a budget breakdown requirement? What do you think? I would also very much appreciate it if you could kindly give me some feedback regarding some points mentioned in the email like the NCUC budget and a potential EC meeting to discuss the event in detail and the possibility of having a separate NCUC event?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Thanks again for your efforts!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Best,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Elsa</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">--</div></div><div class="m_-3145380624387990200HOEnZb"><div class="m_-3145380624387990200h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi <div><br></div><div>Thanks all ECs for these replies. </div><div>Unfortunately we do not have a budget breakdown/expense report. It is uncertain how many organizations will contribute and how much and how far the event will go. We also do not have more time. </div><div>Organizations willing to participate on CS day have already formed a committee, offered to integrate volunteeers and discussed programme. </div><div>We are less than 15 biz days to go to this event and with a lot to do towards IGF. </div><div><br></div><div>So from all the views expressed, we can allocate 800 USD for this event and everyone who wants to tailor NCUC's message is welcome to work with Farzaneh on this. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Renata</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705HOEnZb"><div class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Elsa S <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:elsa.saade@gmail.com" target="_blank">elsa.saade@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Hi all,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I do not have a stable connection on weekends as I'm not in Beirut, so it's hard to be on email; thus my reply now.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Reading through the thread, I do acknowledge the importance of chipping in, and as far as I can judge, given the info we have, 1000 dollars might be a suitable amount. However, to have a solid judgement, it would be great to have a budget breakdown if it's already available for the full budget of the event and who of the partners is funding how much exactly. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming that normally this would be done earlier before funding requests get sent out?) When we have the budget breakdown it would be much easier to asses, if not, we would have to make a judgement based on only the info we know in the thread, which, for me, is not the full picture I'm afraid.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">On a more general note, does NCUC have a tracing of the money spent throughout the year and how much budget we still have, and for how long? I'm asking because It would be hasty to give feedback without having had a general idea of where we stand at the moment in terms of our budget as NCUC. If anyone has more info on this or where I could find this information, sharing would be very much appreciated.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">For the sake of avoiding misunderstandings, I'd also suggest we focus on the budgeting first and then deliberate on the details of how the event should unfold and who should represent NCUC during that event and how to maximize impact. I would suggest we have a call if you like, after we make a decision on the budget allocation amount (as I could see there is a consensus on actually funding. The only deliberation is how much we will be funding).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Finally, I would like to endorse Bruna's suggestion of coming up with a plan for a proper outreach event during IGF and the CS Meeting. I'd be more than happy to help if this goes through.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Thanks,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Elsa</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 6:40 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi <div><br></div><div>Ines, you will not hear from the requester on the list. If the funding requester is on the list, they do not participate on the deliberation process. </div><div><br></div><div>About alignment with NCUC's mission and outreach activities, this even has a program committee and had a period of open comment to the programe, posted also in NCUC Discuss, during which there were suggestions included by NCUC members like Farzaneh or Jeremy on themes that are aligned with NCUC's policy. The whole event will be an outreach space, we hope to bring printed material and whoever from NCUC will be there is encouraged to join the debates. </div><div>There is also an unconference session - policy slam - that you are welcome to suggest themes onsite.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Renata</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510HOEnZb"><div class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello all, <div><br></div><div>Two points, if I may: </div><div><br></div><div>1. With regards to the amount of money, given that we are not funding any member in particular for the event, I would be leaning towards supporting Michael's suggestion: 800 USD is a more reasonable contribution, especially considering that the meeting is looking for other funders and that the NCUC budget can be quite limited comparing to them. </div><div>2. Apart from the opening talk, is there space for us to come up with a plan for a proper outreach during IGF and the <span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">Civil Society Meeting? Despite the limited amount of time for proper outreach, I see this as a good opportunity and personally think we should not dismiss it. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">best, </span></div><span class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510m_9000863287546880457HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">bruna</span></div></font></span></div><div class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510m_9000863287546880457HOEnZb"><div class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510m_9000863287546880457h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-11-26 13:42 GMT-02:00 hfaiedh ines <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hfaiedh.ines2@gmail.com" target="_blank">hfaiedh.ines2@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Thank you for your response. Renata I did not quote our procedures otherwise i would have used inverted commas. This is not the issue anyway.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The requester has to make this an NCUC outreach event for us to approve it -not the reviewers. We never edited requesters' proposals in order to approve them and count them as NCUC event.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As usual, we just need to see how is this related to NCUC . Once it is approved, we can help with it if we are asked to.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We are looking forward to hearing from Farzaneh at her earliest convenience.</div><div><div class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510m_9000863287546880457m_5603917508578849751h5"><br><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 26, 2017 15:46, "Renata Aquino Ribeiro" <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510m_9000863287546880457m_5603917508578849751m_2385175948300766238m_-2835149750888592779m_5072938643554364865quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Ines<div><br></div><div>While I appreciate the care with NCUC funds, our archives are open but we do not have the requester participate on our deliberation process. </div><div>So your request for information goes through a process. You ask Chair, as others did, and I come to you with the replies I have, and also reach out to requester, the amount of information you request and what you get will vary considering how soon the event is and what is available. </div><div><br></div><div>You could also read our Operating Procedures on the matter which states clearly: "The request should include [a log in the NCUC Outreach form - which is being rebuilt], a brief summary of the proposed content, and the estimated
and requested budget (if applicable)."</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC-Operating-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.ncuc.org/wp-conten<wbr>t/uploads/2017/09/NCUC-Operati<wbr>ng-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>So this line </div><div class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510m_9000863287546880457m_5603917508578849751m_2385175948300766238m_-2835149750888592779m_5072938643554364865quoted-text"><div>"<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">The expense sheet is mandatory by those asking NCUC to fund activities/participation and for us to approve or not a request."</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">Is _not_ in our Operating Procedures. </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.8px">My suggestion, to be very clear: if you have concerns how is NCUC being "labeled" or what "speech" will the event have: go ahead and do it.</span></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Write NCUC briefing materials, come up with a suggestion for the opening text. </span></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.8px">You are part of NCUC at IGF, look forward to see your contribution.</span></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Thanks</span></font></div><font color="#888888"><div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Renata</span></font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></font></div><div class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510m_9000863287546880457m_5603917508578849751m_2385175948300766238m_-2835149750888592779m_5072938643554364865elided-text"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 11:19 AM, hfaiedh ines <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hfaiedh.ines2@gmail.com" target="_blank">hfaiedh.ines2@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Thank you Renata for the email. Still waiting for Farzaneh s answers to whom I directed my questions.<div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto">My comments in-line:</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510m_9000863287546880457m_5603917508578849751m_2385175948300766238m_-2835149750888592779m_5072938643554364865m_-2727588657256487621m_-123195029050688878quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Civil society is made of volunteer work so when suggesting to add further work (like an expense sheet:</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto">The expense sheet is mandatory by those asking NCUC to fund activities/participation and for us to approve or not a request. We had a</div><div dir="auto"> detailed expense sheet from Thato for our Outreach event in Johannesburg so that we had a better idea of how much is going where and we even ask NCUC members to give us details of expenses for partial travel funding requests. So this isn't new to us.</div><span><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510m_9000863287546880457m_5603917508578849751m_2385175948300766238m_-2835149750888592779m_5072938643554364865m_-2727588657256487621m_-123195029050688878quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>or a call for other volunteers to do work etc.) and not presenting yourself with collaborative work only adds issues, does not solve problems. </div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></span><div dir="auto">Not sure what you are suggesting here. This is to be done by those asking for NCUC funds not by the ECs reviewing requests.</div><span><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510m_9000863287546880457m_5603917508578849751m_2385175948300766238m_-2835149750888592779m_5072938643554364865m_-2727588657256487621m_-123195029050688878quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>This event is being organized by a committee, who has offered this space to NCUC.</div></div></blockquote></div></div></span></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">This is labelled as NCSG not NCUC. And NCSG also includes NPOC that is the reason behind my question if they are financially contributing or not. Their interest in participating in the event or not is none of my business.</div><span><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510m_9000863287546880457m_5603917508578849751m_2385175948300766238m_-2835149750888592779m_5072938643554364865m_-2727588657256487621m_-123195029050688878quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Being part of the representation of NCUC also means being supportive of the group including our colleagues. We have an opening to deliver in an event we are supporting.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510m_9000863287546880457m_5603917508578849751m_2385175948300766238m_-2835149750888592779m_5072938643554364865m_-2727588657256487621m_-123195029050688878quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div> </div></div></blockquote></div></div></span><div dir="auto">We are still deliberating on financially supporting the event or not.</div><div dir="auto">Having an opening speech by any one of NCUC leadership doesnt make it an outreach event and there is definetely no privelege in this appearance, this EC team has enough regional and global appearances to take it this way. However, there should be a concrete input to consider this as outreach in order to allocate or not NCUC funds.</div><div><div class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510m_9000863287546880457m_5603917508578849751m_2385175948300766238m_-2835149750888592779m_5072938643554364865m_-2727588657256487621h5"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510m_9000863287546880457m_5603917508578849751m_2385175948300766238m_-2835149750888592779m_5072938643554364865m_-2727588657256487621m_-123195029050688878quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-3145380624387990200m_-606284790613095705m_3169570424383257m_1843431557926629510m_9000863287546880457m_5603917508578849751m_2385175948300766238m_-2835149750888592779m_5072938643554364865m_-2727588657256487621m_-123195029050688878elided-text"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Michael Karanicolas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michael@law-democracy.org" target="_blank">michael@law-democracy.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
Thanks very much for your thoughts. As I understand it, the NCUC<br>
contribution would go towards catering for the event.<br>
<br>
USD 800 sounds like a good amount to me - especially as it's a partial<br>
contribution and, looking at the list of co-sponsors, they all seem to<br>
have way more disposable cash than we do. I remain a bit skeptical as<br>
to the value of sponsoring in terms of boosting NCUC outreach beyond<br>
regular participation would, but given that we've had a limited number<br>
of requests thus far, and are halfway through the fiscal year, I guess<br>
we may as well contribute something.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Michael<br>
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On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 4:56 AM, hfaiedh ines <<a href="mailto:hfaiedh.ines2@gmail.com" target="_blank">hfaiedh.ines2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi everyone<br>
><br>
> I do believe that it is important for us to have a presence at the "civil<br>
> society day before IGF".<br>
> That said, I do have an issue here: this seems to be an event for " civil<br>
> society networks namely: EFF, NCSG, APC, IGC, JNC". There s some procedural<br>
> issue here: Funding an event that is not 'directly' for NCUC and<br>
> participants that NCUC EC won't be involved in selecting<br>
><br>
> 1. Can we have an idea how could this be an NCUC outreach? Where's NCUC<br>
> here.<br>
><br>
> 2. Adding our EC Europe Rep at the last minute for the opening does not make<br>
> it an NCUC outreach sorry.<br>
><br>
> 3. So 1500$ could go for food and partial travel funding? Who are those who<br>
> are going to be funded? Are we the ones who will select them?<br>
><br>
> 5. Does NCSG have funds? Was NPOC asked to help as well?<br>
><br>
> Dear Michael, I would lean toward helping in sponsoring the event if we have<br>
> a better understanding of where our contribution would go. What do you<br>
> think?<br>
> Hence, I would kindly ask Farzaneh to help us in the decision by:<br>
><br>
> A- Giving us a breakout of expenses.<br>
><br>
> B- Elaborating on how we can have NCUC presence effective and acknowledged<br>
> at the event.<br>
><br>
> C- How will partial funding go? NCUC members or not? Travel and/or<br>
> accomodation? Who will select them?<br>
><br>
> D- Would 800 $ help? The costs are around 2200$ and there are 5 members in<br>
> the coalition that should also step up to the plate.<br>
><br>
> On Nov 25, 2017 22:04, "Renata Aquino Ribeiro" <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Thank you Louise, for your input<br>
><br>
> As soon as we get closer to the event, we'll check w/ EC again if and<br>
> how we are going to do this opening.<br>
> Whoever does, I think this is where we will "stand our ground" so will<br>
> be important we build it collectively<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Louise Marie Hurel<br>
> <<a href="mailto:louise.marie.hsd@gmail.com" target="_blank">louise.marie.hsd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> My apologies for the delay just got back to London<br>
>><br>
>> So, my first reaction would be "yes". Given that the IGF is in *Geneva* it<br>
>> certainly makes it much harder for civil society groups, academics and<br>
>> non-commercial stakeholders overall to attend. Also, NCUC has been<br>
>> actively<br>
>> engaged in previous Best Bits meetings and supporting it seems like a<br>
>> natural path to take. Thus, I would agree with helping the event.<br>
>><br>
>> As for opening the event, I would be happy to do so but don't know if I'll<br>
>> arrive in time for the opening. Can confirm this information later.<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>><br>
>> Louise Marie Hurel<br>
>><br>
>> Cybersecurity Project Coordinator | Igarapé Institute<br>
>><br>
>> London School of Economics (LSE) Media and Communications (Data and<br>
>> Society)<br>
>><br>
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>> <a href="mailto:l.h.dias@lse.ac.uk" target="_blank">l.h.dias@lse.ac.uk</a><br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>> 2017-11-25 16:35 GMT+00:00 Michael Karanicolas<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:michael@law-democracy.org" target="_blank">michael@law-democracy.org</a>>:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Ok - so if I understand this correctly - the funding wouldn't actually go<br>
>>> towards our participation, or getting a representative there, but rather<br>
>>> towards sponsoring the event itself?<br>
>>><br>
>>> If that's the case, I would lean against it. Again, this comes back to<br>
>>> the<br>
>>> difference of whether or not we're a "funding organization". If the event<br>
>>> is<br>
>>> likely to go forward either way, I am doubtful as to whether this<br>
>>> expenditure would provide much of a boost for the NCUC. If it were about<br>
>>> actually bringing someone to IGF, I'd be more sympathetic.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Hi all<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> EC, remember you don't need to approve the full request. You can<br>
>>>> provide funding for a lesser amount.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Michael, in answer to your question, more information form Farzaneh<br>
>>>> below<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>>>> From: farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>> Date: Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 10:22 PM<br>
>>>> Subject: More information<br>
>>>> To: Renata Aquino <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Hi Renata,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Civil Society day is a pre-IGF event which is organized by various<br>
>>>> civil society networks namely: EFF, NCSG, APC, IGC, JNC.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The event is normally attended by around 50-60 people.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Most of the networks pitch in money, or source money. EFF pitches<br>
>>>> money in, and NCUC funded civil society day last year too (I think<br>
>>>> around 1000 USD). Food in Geneva is expensive, the menu that we are<br>
>>>> looking at is around 2200 CHF (Swiss Frank). We asked ICANN to fund it<br>
>>>> as well.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> At the moment Jeremy told me that to serve lunch during the event, it<br>
>>>> comes to 2200 USD. If ICANN and EFF chip in too we can have a pot of<br>
>>>> money to cover food and cover partial travel funding upon request.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Some put forward their request in registration list to get partial<br>
>>>> funding to attend the meeting. The program committee decides on who<br>
>>>> gets funded and for how much(program committee consists of the<br>
>>>> networks reps: IGC, NCSG EFF, APC, JNC. The participants can be<br>
>>>> members of the civil society networks, bestbits etc. Last year for<br>
>>>> Mexico I think we supported partially two travelers from LAC.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Best<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Farzaneh<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> > fwding a Michael's message to this list which got sidetracked<br>
>>>> > I'll answer soon<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>>>> >> From: Mike <<a href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com" target="_blank">mkaranicolas@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>> >> To: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>> >> Cc: Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>>, "Exec. Comm"<br>
>>>> >> <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br>
>>>> >> Bcc:<br>
>>>> >> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 17:32:05 -0400<br>
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Fwd: Funding civil society day before IGF<br>
>>>> >> I have no objection, but can we get a bit more details as to where<br>
>>>> >> the<br>
>>>> >> money is going? Who are the “selected participants”? 1500 is a lot<br>
>>>> >> for food<br>
>>>> >> - presumably that’s toward airfare and accommodation too?<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >>> On Nov 24, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro<br>
>>>> >>> <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>> Hi Bruna<br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>> No, the our Procedures require us to analyse case by case and<br>
>>>> >>> recommend an average amount (which is smaller) for more general and<br>
>>>> >>> urgent requests.<br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>> The Civil Society Meeting (this is the correct name) has had funded<br>
>>>> >>> travellers before. I guess it depends on their final balance of<br>
>>>> >>> expenses whether the money will go to fund a new traveller or help<br>
>>>> >>> pay<br>
>>>> >>> for extra hotel nights to attend, for instance.<br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos<br>
>>>> >>> <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> >>>> Renata,<br>
>>>> >>>><br>
>>>> >>>> Given what was stated in Farzi's email - the fact that you'll be in<br>
>>>> >>>> the<br>
>>>> >>>> opening ceremony and that Farzi will also have a moment to brief<br>
>>>> >>>> people<br>
>>>> >>>> about NCSG/NCUC - the bestbits meeting can be considered the NCUC<br>
>>>> >>>> outreaching event for the IGF and I would not oppose on giving some<br>
>>>> >>>> money to<br>
>>>> >>>> the event.<br>
>>>> >>>><br>
>>>> >>>> One question though, are we supporting members for the IGF itself<br>
>>>> >>>> or<br>
>>>> >>>> when we<br>
>>>> >>>> talk about the 1500 USD for food and modest travel funding are we<br>
>>>> >>>> considering funding more people ?<br>
>>>> >>>><br>
>>>> >>>> Also, does the operating procedures oppose to the amount of money<br>
>>>> >>>> requested<br>
>>>> >>>> ? (not from my initial reading)<br>
>>>> >>>><br>
>>>> >>>> best,<br>
>>>> >>>> B<br>
>>>> >>>><br>
>>>> >>>> 2017-11-24 12:55 GMT-02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro<br>
>>>> >>>> <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> Dear EC<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> I'm forwarding Farzaneh's request for NCUC EC to support civil<br>
>>>> >>>>> society<br>
>>>> >>>>> day.<br>
>>>> >>>>> In previous editions this event also had NCUC support.<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> NCUC Operating Procedures mention allocation of funds on itens VI<br>
>>>> >>>>> and VII<br>
>>>> >>>>> <a href="https://www.ncuc.org/ncuc-operating-procedures/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ncuc.org/ncuc-oper<wbr>ating-procedures/</a><br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> Although this event is a budget higher than the average<br>
>>>> >>>>> recommended<br>
>>>> >>>>> for approval (USD 500) and the timeline is a bit short, you must<br>
>>>> >>>>> also<br>
>>>> >>>>> have in mind we have had no budget for outreach events for IGF<br>
>>>> >>>>> approved, we do have a workshop there, and our traditional form<br>
>>>> >>>>> for<br>
>>>> >>>>> outreach is to be reviewed, so the request was sent via email<br>
>>>> >>>>> because<br>
>>>> >>>>> of that.<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> I would also ask Farzaneh to provide materials to publicize the<br>
>>>> >>>>> event<br>
>>>> >>>>> before and after the meeting (program and report - with speakers<br>
>>>> >>>>> main<br>
>>>> >>>>> points).<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> Please review the request and send in your comments<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> Thanks<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>>>> >>>>> From: farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>> >>>>> Date: Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 11:22 AM<br>
>>>> >>>>> Subject: Funding civil society day before IGF<br>
>>>> >>>>> To: Renata Aquino <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> Dear Renata,<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> I was wondering if you and NCUC EC could consider funding the<br>
>>>> >>>>> civil<br>
>>>> >>>>> society day before IGF? I am requesting 1500 USD which goes<br>
>>>> >>>>> towards<br>
>>>> >>>>> food and perhaps some modest travel funding for the selected<br>
>>>> >>>>> participants. You as the NCUC chair will open the day with Jovan<br>
>>>> >>>>> from<br>
>>>> >>>>> Diplo and I have also gotten a brief timeslot to talk about<br>
>>>> >>>>> NCUC/NCSG.<br>
>>>> >>>>> I am the NCSG rep on the planning committee of this meeting.<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> Here is the link to the event.<br>
>>>> >>>>> <a href="https://bestbits.net/events/joint-cs-2017/?instance_id=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bestbits.net/events/jo<wbr>int-cs-2017/?instance_id=</a><br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> Best<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> Farzaneh<br>
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