<div><div dir="auto">Hi all </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Observer here, I have to say fellowship is a program not an entity. To make it an entity was the wrong approach. Fellows need to work within the community, not to create a community of their own. Being in leadership position does not prove success. Working meaningfully in PDPs getting involved with drafting comments and understanding DNS issues and trying to solve them at ICANN shows success in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I was a fellow and have nothing against the program, but there are concerns with some of its aspects which the insider fellows don't see but the broader community certainly does. For example sometimes fellows who are ncuc members get funded to attend while they have not done much at ncuc or are not required to do so.The program has become bigger than it was 4 years ago so there has to be some changes. It is a program to help this community not to create a community of its own. But I understand if you don't want to say anything about it, note that the travel questionnaire scope is pretty wide and answers can touch upon programs that involve traveling. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 7:51 AM hfaiedh ines <<a href="mailto:hfaiedh.ines2@gmail.com">hfaiedh.ines2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Absolutely<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also myself and Renata were Fellows so 4 out of the 6 NCUC Leadership team in total and in many other positions within ICANN constituencies. Currently there s even a Board member who is a Fellow.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 20, 2017 13:17, "Elsa S" <<a href="mailto:elsa.saade@gmail.com" target="_blank">elsa.saade@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Hey team,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">I might be too late for this, but I did not have a stable internet connection till today. I've added some comments and some suggestions to the doc. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Generally, I think we should be careful with our words when we talk about a certain entity such as the fellowship program! I do agree that there should be a review of how it works but hinting the need for its discontinuation until that review happens, is a bit extreme as for instance, Bruna and I were fellows and if it weren't for the fellowship we wouldn't have been able to be here.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Best,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Elsa</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">--</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:43 AM, hfaiedh ines <span><<a href="mailto:hfaiedh.ines2@gmail.com" target="_blank">hfaiedh.ines2@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi everyone<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I saw that part crossed so I didn't want to comment on it more because I am in agreement with Michael.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Those seats should be requested only for people who do have real physical issues especially related to blood pressure, Diabetes (making blood flow to feet difficult), any physical impairment/issue which a doctor says requires a more comfortable seating etc.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The 12 hour arrival prior to business day in the meeting makes sense and I support it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div class="m_-6798295946359858033m_-7180212210847228116HOEnZb"><div class="m_-6798295946359858033m_-7180212210847228116h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 19, 2017 23:39, "Bruna Martins dos Santos" <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Also, doesn't sound quite coherent to call out the Fellowship Program for its <span id="m_-6798295946359858033m_-7180212210847228116m_-7363513027997348516m_-7412646261368898813gmail-docs-internal-guid-fa71f941-d66e-a233-85f1-328af977711f"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> i<i>nflating costs, increasing scale and unclear benefits, there is definitely a need for the reassessment of these programs in order to increase their effectiveness</i> and to defend premium seats at the same time. </span></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-11-19 20:37 GMT-02:00 Bruna Martins dos Santos <span><<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Just gave the document a read and I also agree with Michael's position, allowing ourselves to support the '<span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">premium seats' doesn't sound nice. Apart from the medical/age cases, supporting the idea of flying community members on 1st class based on the fact that the flights are long or the connections are hard when the price of one of those seats could normally fly 2 to 3 ppl just doesn't sound right. </span><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">I can agree with the arrival requirement being set for 12h before the business day, though. </span></div></div><div class="m_-6798295946359858033m_-7180212210847228116m_-7363513027997348516m_-7412646261368898813HOEnZb"><div class="m_-6798295946359858033m_-7180212210847228116m_-7363513027997348516m_-7412646261368898813h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-11-19 18:06 GMT-02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <span><<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi<br>
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Thanks everyone who addedd comments, very helpful<br>
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FYI NCSG PC has already submitted their final response<br>
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It's here<br>
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We need to finalize ours soon<br>
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Best<br>
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On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Louise Marie Hurel<br>
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> Added a couple of comments and suggestions.<br>
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> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> Louise Marie Hurel<br>
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> 2017-11-18 5:16 GMT+05:30 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
>><br>
>> Just letting you know we have until next week to send it, 24th Nov.<br>
>><br>
>> So more can chime in.<br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 5:52 PM, hfaiedh ines <<a href="mailto:hfaiedh.ines2@gmail.com" target="_blank">hfaiedh.ines2@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> > I have added my edits as well.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Nov 17, 2017 20:14, "Michael Karanicolas" <<a href="mailto:michael@law-democracy.org" target="_blank">michael@law-democracy.org</a>><br>
>> > wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Hi,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I've amended to edit out the discussion of premium seats, as I don't<br>
>> >> think it's a good position to take.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e1RmaaCV0_fHLUHcz6GlCX21zVljTMGqX1Uz-tL6HWI/edit" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e1RmaaCV0_fHLUHcz6GlCX21zVljTMGqX1Uz-tL6HWI/edit</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Michael<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos<br>
>> >> <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >> > Thank you, Renata! I will take a look!<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > 2017-11-17 12:50 GMT-02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Dear EC,<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> We have to send a response to the Community Travel questionnaire<br>
>> >> >> until<br>
>> >> >> Monday 19th<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Please send your inputs in this doc<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e1RmaaCV0_fHLUHcz6GlCX21zVljTMGqX1Uz-tL6HWI/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e1RmaaCV0_fHLUHcz6GlCX21zVljTMGqX1Uz-tL6HWI/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Apologies on the short deadline<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Best<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Renata<br>
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>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > --<br>
>> >> > Bruna Martins dos Santos<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > <a href="tel:%2B55%2061%2099252-6512" value="+5561992526512" target="_blank">+55 61 99252-6512</a><br>
>> >> > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos<br>
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