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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I guess I am being asked to get involved in this.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">NCUC’s Treasury and income stream is basically $15,000 annually from PIR. This donation was a commitment PIR made when it was granted .org, so it doesn’t come
with strings and raises few CoI issues. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">My main point would be that it would be a mistake to think of ourselves as grant-makers or donors to general development or internet issues. We do not want to
encourage others to see us as a grant-maker, as requests will multiply rapidly and we won’t be able to handle them and do what we are supposed to be doing. ISOC is in a position to be a donor to worthy causes because it has a $15 million or so annual income
stream. ICANN WIKI describes itself as </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;background:white">a “not-for-profit organization dedicated
to supporting the Internet community's collaborative development of wiki articles on </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><a href="https://icannwiki.org/ICANN" title="ICANN"><span style="color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;background:white;text-decoration:none">ICANN</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;background:white"> and
Internet Governance-related topics.” It has numerous corporate donors and sponsors that support this mission. Look at the string of corporate logos on its home page. Thato’s project seems very much in line with their mission.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">NCUC is a recipient of grants more than a giver of them. The money NCUC receives is intended to directly support the activities of NCUC itself in ICANN. Almost
all the money we give people is travel support to bring them to ICANN meetings. A much smaller portion has gone to support some outreach activities to bring members into NCUC. If Thato were relying entirely on NCUC to support his activity and it was designed
to bring people into NCUC it would be appropriate for us to support him, regardless of (or because of!) the language issues. However, given the focus of his activity it seems to fall much more in ICANN Wiki’s mission. In general. I think it is a mistake for
NCUC to be posturing as a donor on the order of ISOC and ICANN Wiki. If Thato really needs another $300 to pull this off he should ask ISOC and ICANNWiki for a bit more – it is a drop in the bucket for them, and the purpose of the project seems to be to expand
the type of content offered by ICANN Wiki.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dr. Milton L Mueller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Professor,
<a href="http://spp.gatech.edu/"><span style="color:#0563C1">School of Public Policy</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Georgia Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Internet Governance Project
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="http://internetgovernance.org/"><span style="color:#0563C1">http://internetgovernance.org/</span></a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> NCUC-EC [mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rafik Dammak<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Karanicolas <michael@law-democracy.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Exec. Comm <ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-EC] South Africa project asking for support<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Michael,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">not sure if you are directing your response to me. for translation, I responded to Renata statement that we won't get translation support in future. with regard to your question if that will help them to contribute in NCUC and ICANN. I
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<p class="MsoNormal"> for the financial situation, Milton as treasurer can respond to that. Our only source of funding is coming from PIR on yearly basis (I think that was indicated in operating procedures?). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2017-10-11 9:31 GMT+09:00 Michael Karanicolas <<a href="mailto:michael@law-democracy.org" target="_blank">michael@law-democracy.org</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
<br>
I think the issue with translation issue isn't just about our materials<br>
and such - it's about how IsiXhosa and IsiNdebele speakers are going<br>
to contribute meaningfully to NCUC, or be a part of our eco-system<br>
when we're not really equipped to support their engagement.<br>
<br>
I met Thato in Hyderabad as well as in Johannesburg - and he seems<br>
very sharp, and I like the idea of supporting his work and of reaching<br>
out to underserved language communities, but I'm really struggling<br>
with slotting this as an outreach event when there's no<br>
sustainability.<br>
<br>
Can we get a clearer picture of our financial situation, in terms of<br>
where the funding would come from? Are we sitting on a source of money<br>
that we're not utilizing, or is this part of a funds that's going to<br>
get refreshed at the end of the year, or what's our situation?<br>
Apologies for not knowing this myself, as I guess I should by this<br>
point.<br>
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Best,<br>
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Michael<br>
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<span class="im">On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:19 PM, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> Hi,<br>
><br>
> if I can comment:<br>
> - I think icannwiki is a not just platform but organization which is getting<br>
> funding from several sources already.<br>
> - with regard to translation, we did get that before when we made a request<br>
> to translation team in ICANN. we could translate our flyers to Hindi, Urdu<br>
> for Hyderabad meeting in addition to translation to UN languages.<br>
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> Best,<br>
><br>
> Rafik<br>
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> 2017-10-10 22:43 GMT+09:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">raquino@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi<br>
>><br>
>> Yes, the logo would be there<br>
>><br>
>> I will explain a bit more what this project is because I guess it isn't<br>
>> clear<br>
>><br>
>> 1) Group convenes and discusses how ICANN works and what are possible<br>
>> words that they could study, describe which would help them understand<br>
>> PDPs - or words someone asked them to describe<br>
>> (This is where I asked them to describe better NCUC, GDPR, RDS, RPM etc)<br>
>><br>
>> 2) Group studies and describes these terms. Outcomes are registered in<br>
>> <a href="http://www.icannwiki.org" target="_blank">www.icannwiki.org</a><br>
>><br>
>> 3) New round of studying and describing and translation to local languages<br>
>><br>
>> ICANNWiki is an independent platform<br>
>><br>
>> NCUC will receive a report to be published as post<br>
>><br>
>> We can be very confident that NCUC will not have support for<br>
>> multilingual content anytime soon and there won't be follow up<br>
>> requests on multilingual support to NCUC esp. indigenous languages.<br>
>><br>
>> This is an effort independently lead by local language advocates in<br>
>> sectors of ICANNWiki platform only<br>
>><br>
>> Best,<br>
>><br>
>> Renata<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Tatiana Tropina<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:tatiana.tropina@gmail.com">tatiana.tropina@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > All,<br>
>> > I agree with Michael.<br>
>> > Could the proposal be tweaked to be more obviously beneficial for NCUC?<br>
>> > Can we use our logo at the event to advertise us or something?<br>
>> > Cheers<br>
>> > Tanya<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Tue 10. Oct 2017 at 13:42, Michael Karanicolas<br>
>> > <<a href="mailto:michael@law-democracy.org">michael@law-democracy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Hi,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Thanks very much for sending that along. It seems like an unusual fit<br>
>> >> to me, to be an outreach event, and a bit of a departure from what we<br>
>> >> do normally. Obviously we want to bring in people from under-served<br>
>> >> communities, and I think we all recognize that language is a huge<br>
>> >> challenge, but I'm not sure that NCUC has the follow through to<br>
>> >> capitalize on this. So - the material is translated into IsiXhosa and<br>
>> >> IsiNdebele - then what? There's still no platform for the recipients<br>
>> >> to engage with NCUC, since we don't have ongoing support for those<br>
>> >> languages, and we are unlikely to have it in the near term - so where<br>
>> >> does this lead? Am I missing something?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> That said - I guess it would ultimately depend on our budget<br>
>> >> situation. Do we work on a calendar year and, if so, do we have funds<br>
>> >> that are going to expire relatively soon if they're not used?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Michael<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro<br>
>> >> <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">raquino@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >> > Hi<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > The outreach in Johannesburg was mainly organized voluntarily by<br>
>> >> > Thato<br>
>> >> > Mfikwe and now he is asking for a small amount of support for<br>
>> >> > outreach<br>
>> >> > and capacity building (USD 300, minimal is actually USD 500)<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > On our procedures document there is a description of a process for<br>
>> >> > this type of support<br>
>> >> > See section VI<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > <a href="https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC-Operating-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf" target="_blank">
https://www.ncuc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NCUC-Operating-Procedures-Sept-2017.pdf</a><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > There were outreach events funded by NCUC before and reports are<br>
>> >> > published on NCUC blog periodically<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Best,<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Renata<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Michael Karanicolas<br>
>> >> > <<a href="mailto:michael@law-democracy.org">michael@law-democracy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >> >> We're not a granting organization... are we?<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Forgive me, as I'm new(ish) on the EC. Is there precedent to fund<br>
>> >> >> these kinds of projects?<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> Michael<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro<br>
>> >> >> <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">raquino@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >> >>> Dear EC<br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>> I am forwarding you an email by Thato Mfikwe from South Africa<br>
>> >> >>> asking<br>
>> >> >>> for support for a local project.<br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>> Basically they will do a day marathon of writing about internet<br>
>> >> >>> policy<br>
>> >> >>> terms learned after ICANN59. In English and in local languages.<br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>> The project already has support from ICANNwiki and ISOC Gauteng<br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>> Given ISOC Gauteng partnered w/ NCUC for the event in Johannesburg<br>
>> >> >>> it<br>
>> >> >>> would be great if NCUC could sponsor the event too<br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>> Even with a minimal amount (USD300), this partnership can be<br>
>> >> >>> consolidated and we can ask for the program to cover writing about<br>
>> >> >>> terms which are en vogue in NCUC policymaking efforts<br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>> Deadline for this is (was) 10th Oct so please express your support<br>
>> >> >>> as<br>
>> >> >>> soon as possible<br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>> Thank you<br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>> >> >>> From: Thato Mfikwe <<a href="mailto:mfikwentjatje@gmail.com">mfikwentjatje@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >>> Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:23 AM<br>
>> >> >>> Subject: ISOC Gauteng Project proposal (Content development and<br>
>> >> >>> translation<br>
>> >> >>> To: <a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">raquino@gmail.com</a><br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>> Hi Renata,<br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>> Please find the attached proposal regarding the project we running<br>
>> >> >>> in<br>
>> >> >>> Mpumalanga and Eastern Cape rural areas of South Africa, I hope you<br>
>> >> >>> find all in order. Should you require that we amend our proposal to<br>
>> >> >>> meet available funding and support criterias, please let us know.<br>
>> >> >>> Apologies in the delay, we only have 2 weeks before implemetation<br>
>> >> >>> of<br>
>> >> >>> the 1st phase of the project, thuis a prompt response is required<br>
>> >> >>> to<br>
>> >> >>> speed up this process.<br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>> We thought the project of this natture would be of interest to<br>
>> >> >>> players<br>
>> >> >>> in the IG space, since we need allthe help we can obtain to make it<br>
>> >> >>> a<br>
>> >> >>> success and please feel free to forward to relevant organisations<br>
>> >> >>> who<br>
>> >> >>> might find an interest in working with us on this exciting project.<br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>> We will provide sponsors with proof of expenses on a monthly basis<br>
>> >> >>> and<br>
>> >> >>> ZACR has commited to the project in terms of human capital and<br>
>> >> >>> funding<br>
>> >> >>> that is yet to be finalised by end of this month. Should you need<br>
>> >> >>> more<br>
>> >> >>> information or set up an appointment around this project, please do<br>
>> >> >>> not hesitate to contact us, thanks.<br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> >>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> >> >>> NCUC-EC mailing list<br>
>> >> >>> <a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
>> >> >>> <a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec" target="_blank">
https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a><br>
>> >> >>><br>
>> >> _______________________________________________<br>
>> >> NCUC-EC mailing list<br>
>> >> <a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
>> >> <a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec" target="_blank">
https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
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