<div dir="auto">seems fine</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 18/05/2017 9:11 PM, "farzaneh badii" <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks Milton.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Does anyone else have any comment on this? Do you agree with Milton's sentence "<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">No two EC members may be the employees of the same organization or be representatives to the NCUC of different chapters or sub-units of the same organization." </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We will discuss this in a final call on bylaws soon. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_2873412608959795322gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Mueller, Milton L <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Yes, this was added because of a concern about ISOC. But it could apply to various organizations with “chapters” or “sub-entities.” This is not a big deal because
it doesn’t exclude any organization from membership, only from dual representation on EC.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Not all ISOC chapters are “national.” Some are local to cities; e.g., Washington DC ISOC or ISOC New York. These chapters are actually independent of global ISOC
in terms of how they would vote or who would represent them. We should welcome all of them as members. However, given the relatively conformity of views amongst them, it makes sense to continue to restrict the number of elected officers who are from sub-entities
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">No two EC members may be the employees of the same organization or be representatives to the NCUC of different chapters or sub-units of the same organization.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Obviously, not all of our organizational members have chapters. I think you can answer the ICANN staff comment by coming up with a definition of a chapter or
subunit. It should be general and flexible enough to capture ISOC chapters and other relevant sub-units. ISOC is the easy case, these organizations call themselves “chapters” – they define themselves as part of ISOC. But APC is a difficult case – their membership
consists of highly independent organizations who affiliate with APC in different ways and do not even share the same name. A lot of organizations have other organizations as members. Is that kind of a membership a “sub-unit”? I would say yes, we want to welcome
all APC members as NCUC members, but not allow them to dominate the EC. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">On the quorum issue,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f4e79">
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">part of the bylaws dates back to the bad old days when no one but the chair did anything. It was literally intended to empower the chair to do things unilaterally when necessary.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This is the ICANN staff comment: This term “chapter” occurs several times within the charter; however, it should be explained so that its meaning and interpretation are clear. Do all NCUC organizations
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">thought perhaps we keep national chapters but also add sub-entities for those organizations that do not have national chapters. Mike suggested a wording that would exclude those structures
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Other than this, having a quorum of 4 for voting in every decision making makes decisions more difficult. It also contradicts with this clause "IV(C)(9): Whenever EC votes are required by
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