<div dir="ltr">Hello all, <div><br></div><div>My email didnt sent last night, see below:</div><div><br></div><div>I think these look great and hopefully inspire a lot of conversation. The draft procedures for public comments is what I am most excited about. Lets get to work!</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Anna </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:19 AM, farzaneh badii <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hello </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Since I have not received any other feedback or response I am going to announce the formulation of this task force and invite the members to join.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Farzaneh </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_1751279459832935441gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div></font></span><div><div class="h5">
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all<br>
<br>
Good. I think even if Maryan can not wrangle the "closed but open to<br>
members" note, an open invite on list to all members and the<br>
occasional reminder would be good.<br>
<br>
Again, open drafting has many layers and procedures and, yes, there<br>
can be transparency to the absurd but this would not be the case.<br>
<br>
Even in any open meeting, those who are not a part of the Constituency<br>
will have their thoughts weighted with much less weight than that of<br>
those who already belong and are knowledgeable of the constituency's<br>
works. Plus, drafting is a process not a meeting.<br>
<br>
However, don't take this as trying to convince you anymore. I<br>
understand this is a new effort, very valuable, and with a clear<br>
direction as to where the EC wants to go. So open, not open, may it<br>
happen and thrive.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Renata<br>
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Tatiana Tropina<br>
<<a href="mailto:tatiana.tropina@gmail.com" target="_blank">tatiana.tropina@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> +1 Ines. Thanks for reminding me that I forgot to mention in my email that<br>
> we will achieve the desirable level of transparency by sharing the<br>
> transcript, as Farzy said. Moreover, we can send an email with the summary<br>
> of the meeting for those who have no time to listen to the recording to the<br>
> NCUC mailing list, which has open archives.<br>
> Cheers<br>
> Tanya<br>
><br>
> On 16 January 2017 at 19:11, hfaiedh ines <<a href="mailto:hfaiedh.ines2@gmail.com" target="_blank">hfaiedh.ines2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I think it should be open to NCUC members only and afterwards it will be<br>
>> shared anyways. I think we need to hear more and focus mainly on our<br>
>> constituency members' opinions .<br>
>><br>
>> 2017-01-16 13:04 GMT-05:00 Tatiana Tropina <<a href="mailto:tatiana.tropina@gmail.com" target="_blank">tatiana.tropina@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi Farzaneh,<br>
>>> thanks. I agree with opening this meeting for the NCUC membership only,<br>
>>> even we have to list it as a closed meeting to achieve this. I rather find<br>
>>> it awkward that other constituencies or non-members will have a say in<br>
>>> drafting our procedural rules. Drafting procedural rules is not an easy<br>
>>> task, so increasing entropy and distraction won't get us focused. Am sorry,<br>
>>> but the suggestion to open such a meeting for everyone gets transparency and<br>
>>> openness to the level of absurd. We need the procedural rules to operate<br>
>>> effectively, not to please any other constituencies, and it's our members<br>
>>> who have to work on this and have a say on this.<br>
>>> Warm regards<br>
>>> Tatiana<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 16 January 2017 at 18:58, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Hi Tapani<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Thanks. I have asked Maryam and she said she will see if they can add it<br>
>>>> on the schedule as open to NCUC members.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> If not then it will be closed to other constituencies so and acs. Of<br>
>>>> course the recording and transcript will be published on ncuc website and on<br>
>>>> our wiki for everyone to see.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Other ec members: please advise on keeping our procedural drafting<br>
>>>> meetings amd consultations only open to ncuc members and not to other<br>
>>>> constituencies, advisory committees etc.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 16 Jan 2017 12:33, "Tapani Tarvainen" <<a href="mailto:ncuc@tapani.tarvainen.info" target="_blank">ncuc@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>><br>
>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Hi Farzaneh,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> If I've understood correctly, you can't exclude other constituencies<br>
>>>>> if you call it open meeting. And the only other option is closed.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> In the past we have, for example, called EC meetings closed but then<br>
>>>>> announced all of our members will be welcome.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I guess you could also make a meeting open and simply ignore what<br>
>>>>> non-members say, although that'd be somewhat awkward, too.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Tapani<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:46:59AM -0500, farzaneh badii<br>
>>>>> (<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>) wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> > Renata<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > what do you mean by we will hold closed meetings? We will hold<br>
>>>>> > meetings<br>
>>>>> > open to all ncuc members. Naturally we won't allow people from other<br>
>>>>> > consituencies and stakeholder groups who are not ncuc members to<br>
>>>>> > express<br>
>>>>> > their opinion on what procedural rules ncuc should function on.<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > Since I don't believe the meeting held with ncuc members is closed I<br>
>>>>> > wouldn't add your suggestion.<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > Best<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > Farzaneh<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > On 16 Jan 2017 10:36, "Renata Aquino Ribeiro" <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>> > wrote:<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > Hi<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > On 3 I'd add<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > "We will hold closed meetings..."<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > I've also taken a look at my workload and won't be joining the TF but<br>
>>>>> > will participate as EC responsibility.<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > Best,<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > Renata<br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> ><br>
>>>>> > On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 9:04 PM, farzaneh badii<br>
>>>>> > <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> > > I drafted the below to send to the NCUC members about procedural<br>
>>>>> > > rules<br>
>>>>> > task<br>
>>>>> > > force. Let me know if it's ok and if you agree with the process.I'd<br>
>>>>> > > like<br>
>>>>> > to<br>
>>>>> > > announce on list no later than Tuesday. We can either follow the<br>
>>>>> > > process I<br>
>>>>> > > am recommending below or leave it to the task force to come up with<br>
>>>>> > > a<br>
>>>>> > > process of how to come up with the procedural rule!<br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > > Dear NCUC Members,<br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > > This is to announce the formulation of the task force on NCUC<br>
>>>>> > > procedural<br>
>>>>> > > rules. You are invited to join this task force. It will commence<br>
>>>>> > > its work<br>
>>>>> > > next week.The leader of the task force is Anna Loup.<br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > > Some background and the process:<br>
>>>>> > > The executive committee is in charge of issuing procedural rules<br>
>>>>> > > for<br>
>>>>> > various<br>
>>>>> > > functions of NCUC. We have decided to convene this task force which<br>
>>>>> > includes<br>
>>>>> > > the EC and interested members as well in order to draft the<br>
>>>>> > > procedural<br>
>>>>> > > rules. The process of drafting and approval of the procedural rules<br>
>>>>> > > is as<br>
>>>>> > > follows:<br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > > 1. The task force drafts the procedural rules<br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > > 2. The procedural rules will be sent to the members for comments<br>
>>>>> > > and<br>
>>>>> > > changes.<br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > > 3. These comments and changes will be resolved by the task force<br>
>>>>> > > and the<br>
>>>>> > EC.<br>
>>>>> > > We will hold meetings with the members to resolve the issues, and<br>
>>>>> > > will<br>
>>>>> > lead<br>
>>>>> > > discussions on the mailing list.<br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > > 4. After the resolution of the comments, the document will then be<br>
>>>>> > > sent<br>
>>>>> > for<br>
>>>>> > > final comments to the members,<br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > > 5. After the final comments are resolved, the EC will deliberate<br>
>>>>> > > on its<br>
>>>>> > > approval.<br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > > The task force is open to all of the NCUC members. You can either<br>
>>>>> > > be an<br>
>>>>> > > active member or an observer. You can join the task force at any<br>
>>>>> > > time but<br>
>>>>> > we<br>
>>>>> > > will start our work by next week.<br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > > The following document identifies those areas that need procedural<br>
>>>>> > > rules .<br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > > <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-Pg0PruKjtNNgnTZmrZ8UpaflzFiaUH" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/docume<wbr>nt/d/1-Pg0PruKjtNNgnTZmrZ8Upaf<wbr>lzFiaUH</a><br>
>>>>> > RWIEbjrvCH5A/edit?usp=sharing<br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > > If you think there are other issues that should be addressed please<br>
>>>>> > > feel<br>
>>>>> > > free to insert your comments.<br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > > Best<br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > ><br>
>>>>> > > Farzaneh<br>
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