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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>I have gone through what looks like a clean draft from my side although I suspect I needed rights to be able to see the tracked changes. But so far, I think it can be shared. Thanks. <br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: rafik.dammak@gmail.com<br>Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 16:55:12 +0900<br>To: milton@gatech.edu<br>Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Bylaws with Track changes<br>CC: ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div class="ecxgmail_extra">Hi Milton,</div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra">the idea behind the redline version is to make it easier for people to see what are the changes compared to the current bylaws.</div><div class="ecxgmail_extra">we can clean-up by resolving the new changes in made under suggestion mode.</div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra">Best,</div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra">Rafik</div><div class="ecxgmail_extra">
<br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">2016-08-30 2:05 GMT+09:00 Mueller, Milton L <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d;">I think we need to distribute a clean version, and then make available the messy “track change” version however.
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-EC] Bylaws with Track changes<u></u><u></u></div></div><BR>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">I would go with Wednesday or Friday but we need to get all things ready this week, hopefully sending the announcement by the weekend <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">2016-08-26 20:00 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">Rafik I think we need to change the timeline regarding the bylaw (we are running behind and making changes). I don't think we can send it today. Perhaps Monday or Wednesday next week. But we really have to this time respect the deadline.
So lets work on it together everyone and approve it to be posted to the members next week. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">going to Milton's comments in line<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">On 25 August 2016 at 16:51, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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let me see if there is some support from other EC members for certain changes.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d;">Policy Committee. The current policy committee is dysfunctional because responsibility is too diffuse, and one can see why by reading the charter. “The policy committee shall
be chaired by constituency appointees…” No single chair, left open. Also, it is not clear who appoints the chair. We need to make one, single person responsible for managing the public comment and policy development process within NCUC, and we need to have
that person appointed or elected in an accountable way. My question is: who should appoint/elect that person – the EC? The members? The GNSO Councilors? The chair? I would favor either the EC or the Chair.</span><u></u><u></u><BR>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">Milton I think here you are talking about NCSG policy committee. Do we have an NCUC PC? If not I think it's a good idea to have one.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">The chair (if I have gotten it right) is elected by the appointees to the PC at NCSG. I think it's good to have public comment and PDP person at NCUC and EC should be able to appoint them. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">we put provision to reactivate the NCUC PC and by NCSG charter we are expected as constituency to make policy position. the EC is not for such role and PC is the right place for that.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">with regarding to who is in charge, I understand Milton concern and the basic idea is to get someone who do the job and is accountable (not about the title). aligned with other similar provisions, EC should do the appointments. in term
of procedure/action, the EC can make (re-)appointments starting from the election. we need to make clear that the person would be appointed from within the PC or from outside ?<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d;">Ed Morris proposed some tightening up of the membership eligibility rules in the wake of the Peter Green situation. Have those changes been incorporated into these bylaws?
It looks to me like they were included.if so, good, we don’t need to do anything more.</span><u></u><u></u><BR>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d;">In III.G., I suggested adding something giving the EC the authority to review and expel members whose status has changed in a way that no longer makes them eligible for membership.</span><u></u><u></u><BR>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d;">Who is the “Executive Coordinator” reference on page 9?</span><u></u><u></u><BR>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d;">Suggested adding something about ballot review. An earlier part of the EC description says the EC reviews the ballot, but later on under part VI Voting it sounds like the chair
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">we can make clear where EC should review Chair decisions and where s/he can make decisions unilaterally. <u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d;">It isn’t clear from the charter who or what process actually sets the dues. It says
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f4e79;">“<span style="background:white;">On an annual basis, the Chair will consult with the Executive Committee regarding the appropriate level for dues.</span>” Does that mean the
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">we can add a text to make this optional not a mandatory yearly action (while of course the EC approve the dues). <u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>farzaneh badii<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 25, 2016 10:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Exec. Comm <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-EC] Bylaws with Track changes</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">I made a google doc and put it on suggestion mode. your changes will turn into suggestions.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">On 25 August 2016 at 16:07, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:24 PM<br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">Here is the bylaws with track changes . I accepted all the format changes to make it less messy. All the comments and changes appear in the doc. However, some of the comments that
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">We finalize by Friday and send out to members next week. <u></u><u></u></p>
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