<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Hi,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thanks for suggesting this Milton.</div><div class="gmail_extra">I think that may be useful to give the context for this statement. I think most of us are aware about the sexual harassment incident that happened in Marrakech meeting and when Padmini speaked out about it during the NCSG-Board meeting. the statement is supposed to support her and urging for creating anti-harassment policy.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">however, she sent a statement in the last days to several public lists, including ncuc list, disclosing her communication with ombudsman and revealing the identity of the accused. NCUC was mentioned in her statement too. some NCUC folks felt that revealing the name of the accused was not appropriate and raises legal question. I understand that Padmini is taking the full responsibility of her actions her . We will continue to support her with regard to the establishing a general anti-harassment policy , pressing ICANN and board to do so but it is unlikely to be entirely behind the approach followed.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">personally, I don't want NCUC to get into this polemic , to which we cannot have a clear and common position with regard the approach followed in this case. I would prefer support a more general policy and creating a clear process that work first by preventing those incidents from happening and then handling them effectively when they happen . we are a group who tended to be impacted by those bypassing processes, so we have to be consistent here.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I want also to remind that the rest of the world is not ruled by US bill of rights and the first amendment, it is also neither a litigious society where things are solved mostly via courts nor is tribal society making justice by themselve . Freedom of speech is a right but not absolute and there are limitations outlined by law. </div><div class="gmail_extra">We have to appreciate this side as we are a diverse group and we claim to be , in public. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">looking to hear from others. for now, I am trying to weigh what we would like to achieve here and what can be the impact of our message here .</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Rafik</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 19, 2016 7:16 PM</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-EC] Proposed statement on the sexual harassment issue<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, it is only a sub-point to 1 that I don’t like, regarding not being able to state who the alleged harasser is. <u></u><u></u></p>
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The other person can always give another side to the story. An accusation is only an accusation. <u></u><u></u></p>
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