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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Rafik<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I think it’s unfortunate that you have made a freedom of expression issue a nation-vs-nation issue, by dismissing free speech as something unique to the United
States of America. The right of free expression is a universal human right and even if it were not recognized by Article 19, the people who support free speech in this instance are not necessarily Americans and are not necessarily arguing that something is
right because it is in the American constitution. That is a completely unfair representation of our views.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Can we please get beyond that stuff and argue the case on the merits? Or do you want to divide us by country?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We have a lot going on here, and Padmini’s right to send information or make accusations is clear – regardless of what law we are under. I cannot imagine a situation
in which someone would not have that right to say publicly, “I have been abused and here is the person I think did it.”
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">While I support her
<u>right</u> to speak out absolutely, it doesn’t mean I agree with what she is doing. The statement I proposed was not, in fact, intended to support Padmini or her statement.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I think what we as NCUC need to make clear in this context is that we need to establish factually what actually happened in this case, and whether it actually
constituted sexual harassment. We all seem to be assuming that it was. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Whatever policy ICANN adopts must be based not on a reactive hysteria or politically correct stereotypes, but on fair and carefully applied standards. Just as
sexual harassment is an abuse, so can accusations of sexual harassment be abused. Since NCUC is rights-focused I want us to take a principled stand in this controversial and divisive area. We need to guard against hysterical overreactions and public manipulations
just as much as we need to guard against sexual harassment. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for suggesting this Milton.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think that may be useful to give the context for this statement. I think most of us are aware about the sexual harassment incident that happened in Marrakech meeting and when Padmini speaked out about it during the NCSG-Board meeting.
the statement is supposed to support her and urging for creating anti-harassment policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">however, she sent a statement in the last days to several public lists, including ncuc list, disclosing her communication with ombudsman and revealing the identity of the accused. NCUC was mentioned in her statement too. some NCUC folks
felt that revealing the name of the accused was not appropriate and raises legal question. I understand that Padmini is taking the full responsibility of her actions her . We will continue to support her with regard to the establishing a general anti-harassment
policy , pressing ICANN and board to do so but it is unlikely to be entirely behind the approach followed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">personally, I don't want NCUC to get into this polemic , to which we cannot have a clear and common position with regard the approach followed in this case. I would prefer support a more general policy and creating a clear process that
work first by preventing those incidents from happening and then handling them effectively when they happen . we are a group who tended to be impacted by those bypassing processes, so we have to be consistent here.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I want also to remind that the rest of the world is not ruled by US bill of rights and the first amendment, it is also neither a litigious society where things are solved mostly via courts nor is tribal society making justice by themselve
. Freedom of speech is a right but not absolute and there are limitations outlined by law. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have to appreciate this side as we are a diverse group and we claim to be , in public. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">looking to hear from others. for now, I am trying to weigh what we would like to achieve here and what can be the impact of our message here .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2016-03-20 8:25 GMT+09:00 Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I am in total agreement. The accuser should have the right to speak out and in fact the Ombuds himself
recognizes that his communications with a party can be revealed by that party, and I think Padmini has made the point that she takes responsibility for her accusations.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">It was a mistake for the statement to imply that there should be any restriction on the free speech
rights of the accuser. I will fix it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Robin Gross [mailto:</span><a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">robin@ipjustice.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">]
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 19, 2016 7:16 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-EC] Proposed statement on the sexual harassment issue<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Yes, it is only a sub-point to 1 that I don’t like, regarding not being able to state who the alleged harasser is. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L <</span><a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">milton@gatech.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have big problems with this statement. If I believe someone harasses me, you can bet I reserve my right to say so, publicly, if I want. And I must take responsibility for the
statements - if they are false, I can be sued for defamation. The other person can always give another side to the story. An accusation is only an accusation. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I would not support a NCUC statement that requires people who believed they were harassed to be quiet about it. Sorry, this proposed statement goes way too far in infringing free
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">1. NCUC EC supports the development of a policy on sexual harassment by ICANN, but we do not support the disclosure
of the name of the accused and the content of private correspondence on open mailing lists. We firmly believe that privacy and confidentiality are essential rights that both accused and accuser should enjoy equally.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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will allow such controversies to be avoided in the future.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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