<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">just wondering, why would affirmative action not apply to Farzi, who is actually engaged and contributing?<div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Grace Githaiga <<a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com" class="">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Hi Bill<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I personally know both Jeremy and Jyoti as very good candidates and quite serious in their work. I am also thinking that James (yes my countryman who I do not know or never met) has applied a couple of times. How do we ensure we keep such people engaged? Knowing that ICANN is complex and one would benefit from face to face participation?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would therefore suggest we forget those who have already benefited, and give both 1300 to Jeremy, Jyoti and James (yes for affirmative action).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rgds</div><div class="">Grace<br class=""><br class=""><div class=""><hr id="stopSpelling" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" class="">william.drake@uzh.ch</a><br class="">Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 10:40:36 +0200<br class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:caribe@entropia.blog.br" class="">caribe@entropia.blog.br</a><br class="">CC:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" class="">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Deciding on the applications for Dublin travel support<br class=""><br class="">Hi<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ok thanks, others please weigh in.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have checked with Jyoti and like Jeremy if we are only able to provide partial support her home institution would be able to help get her there.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I suppose another way we could do it, sort of squaring the circle between the first two suggestions below, would be to offer James and Farzaneh exactly what they asked for and then split the remainder of the up to $4,000 evenly between Jeremy and Jyoti?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bill</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote class=""><div class="">On Sep 19, 2015, at 6:45 PM, Joao Carlos Caribe <<a href="mailto:caribe@entropia.blog.br" class="">caribe@entropia.blog.br</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">My suggestion is to support:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jeremy Malcom - 2000</div><div class="">Farzaneh - 313</div><div class="">James Gannon - 515<br class=""><br class="">For partial suppoort remains $ 1172</div><div class="">My first choice is Jyoti</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My second option was divided between James Gitau and Benjamin. Benjamin was supported once, and fulfill the requirements we would be considered again, James Gitau would be a blind bet, but considerable for regional diversity. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class="">_</div>João Carlos Caribé<div class=""><div class="">(21) 9 8761 1967</div><div class="">Skype joaocaribe<br class=""><div class="">Enviado via iPad</div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><br class="">Em 18 de set de 2015, às 08:18, William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" class="">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>> escreveu:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class=""><div class="">Hi<div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote class=""><div class="">On Sep 14, 2015, at 3:57 PM, João Carlos Rebello Caribé <<a href="mailto:caribe@entropia.blog.br" class="">caribe@entropia.blog.br</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline">Also I suggest to organize this kind of application in a platform at least as a Google Form, that fill a spreadsheet. I can do it to see if work on next round of applications. For now we can prototype. </div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So I guess this didn’t happen. But let’s move on and not make this too complicated. Again, the first CFP yielded only one app, from Arun, and we gave it to him, but then an extra ICANN full support slot opened up so we moved him to that and reopened the call. Six applications this time, curious but whatever.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We say in the policy </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><i class="">For each meeting, up to two members may each receive support of up to US $2,000. Covered travel expenses may include conference-related airfare, visas or related fees, lodging, and airport taxis. If the actual cost of these items is greater than $2,000 the member will be responsible for the difference. NCUC cannot provide a per diem or cover other expenses.</i></div></div><br class=""></div><div class="">On the assumption that applicants would need air fare plus at least some hotel covered in order to attend, we didn’t bother with specifying that the up to $4,000 could be divided more ways if we want to offer partial support to more people. But since it’s not ruled out, I'd think it’s ok if that’s what we want to do.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Requests Received:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. James Gannon (Ireland) requests 450 euros (US $515) for hotels so he doesn't have to travel 100 kilometers back and forth from home to Dublin. Relevant considerations: he’s inter alia helping to organize our Saturday outreach event and heavily involved in the accountability work, but also received support from us before.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2. Jeremy Malcolm (Australia) filed a standard request for the up to US $2,000. First time applicant, member organization. I checked with him whether, if we made a partial offer EFF might be able to make up the difference, and he thought so. Relevant considerations: he brought a very influential NGO to NCUC so we would very much like to engage him/them more. He’s already submitted multiple statements on privacy etc, albeit thus far as EFF solo rather than as part of NCUC. Three EC members have already expressed support for him.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">3. Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria) filed a standard request for the up to US $2,000. Relevant considerations: we paid for him to attend Singapore, our first grantee under the program. Haven’t heard much from him since, but he says he’s involved in the the Data and Metrics for Policy Making WG.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">4. James Njoroge Gitau (Kenya) filed a standard request for the up to US $2,000. Relevant considerations: he applied for travel support for Singapore and for Buenos Aires. I am unaware of any involvements beyond being on the discuss list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">5. Farzaneh Badii (Iran) requests 274 euros (US $313) for airfare from Germany and visas. First time applicant. I believe she’s probably underestimating her costs a bit in the hope we’ll help and she makes up the difference elsewhere. Relevant considerations: active participant in CCWG-Accountability, working on DIDP stuff with Ed and Sarah, and I’ve asked her to be a conversation starter at our outreach event Saturday.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">6. Jyoti Panday (India) filed a standard request for the up to US $2,000. First time applicant, member organization. Relevant considerations: like Jeremy, increasingly active but so far mostly for her home org rather than NCUC, but indicates a strong desire to get into the stream with us on such items as DIDP, domain seizure and blocking, privacy & proxy services accreditation issues working group, human rights.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So, tough call.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bearing in mind the need to focus on getting people to the meeting who are already involved in something pressing, or who are likely to get more engaged in NCUC and become real contributors, one solution might be to divide one of the regular slots as follows: James up to $500, Farzeneh up to $500, and Jeremy up to $1,000; and offer the other full slot up to $2,000 to Jyoti. Actual amounts depend on receipts submitted to Milton for airfare, visas or related fees, lodging, and airport taxis.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Other ideas? Thoughts? Please let’s wrap this up but Monday so we can notify people, they’ll need to make reservations and seek visas pronto.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bill</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class=""><div class=""><span class="">_______________________________________________</span><br class=""><span class="">NCUC-EC mailing list</span><br class=""><span class=""><a href="mailto:NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org" class="">NCUC-EC@lists.ncuc.org</a></span><br class=""><span class=""><a href="http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec" target="_blank" class="">http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a></span><br class=""></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>