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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Hi Folks,<div><br></div><div>For your note of Stefania's previous email, I think this is where I should start to say something.</div><div><br></div><div>I truly understand and agree with what Stefania has expressed.</div><div>And I know that she has always been dedicated to the EC's work even though she is so busy.</div><div><br></div><div>So that's why I declare to take up the thread, and follow up, to make us move along.</div><div><br></div><div>We are a group, and I do not want to see all of the work overly burdens Bill, burdens someone. Each time when we see the discussion emails which are so long and detailed with rationales, with background information, all of those did take time and energy.</div><div><br></div><div> So I want to learn and share those burdens, responsiblities. </div><div>Though I am not good at drafting ,I would like to follow on what Stefania have done, to frame an integrated new Travel Support Policy.</div><div><br></div><div>Listen to your views anytime. Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div>Peter</div><div><div><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu<br>To: william.drake@uzh.ch; ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org<br>Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 19:00:40 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Stephanie Perrin Travel Support + Procedures for Ad Hoc Requests<br><br>
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Hi all<BR>
back from traveling with irregular email access, here go my two cents. <BR>
I am not sure I have replied on Stephanie's request, so, again: consensus from my side.
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Concerning the travel policy. I think it is crucial to have policies in place. Bill has expressed it beautifully in the email that started this thread. Personally, I think two different policies would work better than one, and make things clearer. But, as
it should be, majority wins. So if this is our final decision, please people go ahead and create a new text. I have done my share.<BR>
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A side note on process: I worked in government and one thing I learned to hate was the fact that many initiatives were started, tasks created, work done.. with no follow-up whatsoever, a clear sign of lack of planning. Disturbing.
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It would have been helpful if people had expressed from the onset their preference re: a new policy or a simple add-on to the existing policy. As far as I can remember, I only heard Bill's proposal. I developed mine. I was asked to create a google doc that
no one appears to have engaged with. The same happened with the other travel policy, developed by myself and Bill last fall. Now, things like these are 'fun' to do if they are done collectively. The EC debate shouldn't be limited to +1-style comments. Like
all of us, I am dead busy, and stealing time from bed and leisure to volunteer for NCUC. I don't want to grow annoyed with NCUC as I did with the government.
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My two cents, in peace<BR>
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<div id="ecxdivRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt;" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>Da:</b> ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org <ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org> per conto di GG <ggithaiga@hotmail.com><br>
<b>Inviato:</b> luned¨¬ 23 marzo 2015 16.08<br>
<b>A:</b> William Drake; Exec. Comm<br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [NCUC-EC] Stephanie Perrin Travel Support + Procedures for Ad Hoc Requests</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Hi Bill<br>
I support your two proposals namely support Stephanie and include the adhoc funding text into the main travel policy doc.<br>
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Rgds<br>
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Grace<br>
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From: "William Drake" <william.drake@uzh.ch><br>
Sent: 23 March 2015 07:57<br>
To: "Exec. Comm" <ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org><br>
Subject: [NCUC-EC] Stephanie Perrin Travel Support + Procedures for Ad Hoc Requests<br>
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<div>So after some back and forth we now have a formal request (see below) for ad hoc travel support from Stephanie to attend the data protection meeting where WHOIS will be on the agenda and to network with commissioners, which would be a very good
thing for us. So while it¡¯s not technically an ICANN meeting, it will advance NCUC/SG¡¯s objectives, and would be a missed opportunity not to do it.</div>
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<div>Her hotel will cost $869. I would argue we should allocate $1,000 to cover at least a little of her incidental expenses, just like we did with Ed (who is now representing us solo in Istanbul as Robin alas had a canceled flight¡glad we did it!).
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<div>Please let me know if you agree with this proposal, or have another, or concerns etc.</div>
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<div>Going forward, we should standardize and make transparent the policy for such ad hoc requests. NCUC has always done these things in a loose and informal way, focused on getting the work done rather than building admin apparatus, but with the
membership having grown substantially and transparency becoming important it¡¯s good to lay this stuff out.</div>
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<div>Stefania earlier had circulated a proposal in this regard. She advocated a separate new policy with various provisions. Personally, my preference would be to not make things complicated. I would think a one paragraph addition to the existing
travel policy starting that NCUC also can up to [four? six?] time a year and on an ad hoc basis provide up to $1,000 [and in exceptional cases of need, up to $1,500?] to members who are deeply involved in an important process and representing us to attend
ICANN working group meetings and related events where ICANN issues will be discussed and networking would be advantageous. We could also require them to submit verifying docs post hoc before reimbursement and to write a couple paragraphs blog post on the
experience, just like the others, so it¡¯d fit into the same document. Ed and Stephanie have both indicated a willingness to do this.</div>
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<div>So there are two different proposals on the table, it¡¯d be helpful to have some engagement and work toward a solution we can announce at the same time as the funding of Ed and Stephanie. Please have a look again at her proposal, consider the
two approaches, and weigh in on this as well.</div>
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<div>Thanks much</div>
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<div>PS: I¡¯ve been in touch with the folks at Public Interest Registry and they are donating $15,000. I¡¯ve asked Milton to provide to the EC an annual update on the status of our bank account once they¡¯ve deposited.<br>
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<span style=""><b>From: </b></span><span style="">Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>><br>
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<span style=""><b>Subject: </b></span><span style=""><b>Fwd: Invitation to attend the Berlin group meeting and present a paper on the ICANN Privacy situation</b><br>
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<div>Dear Bill, <br>
Further to the earlier discussions with respect to the attached invitation to present a paper on ICANN and current privacy issues at the Berlin group meeting in Seoul, Korean, I would like to request funding support from the NCUC, The conference organizers,
namely the Chair Alexander Dix has agreed to pay my airline ticket if another organization could fund the hote. The meeting invitation is attached, as well as my hotel reservation at the conference hotel. I have booked the ticket, and the amount is 2420.79
C. (I will be covering 200C of this myself).<br>
The hotel costs 180,000 per night with 21% tax and gratuity. Breakfast is an additional 20,000KRW, so four nights at the hotel (Saturday night to Tuesday night) will amount to 4 x 242,000KRW or 968,000 KRW. This computes at $869.33 US. There are of course
per diem costs, and taxis/bus from airport, but two dinners and a lunch are I believe included in the host package.<br>
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I am attempting to find a partner to share the room and cut the costs in half, and if that happens will of course only ask NCUC to cover my half of the expenses. I have gone ahead and booked the room, in order to get the discount conference rate, which is
competitive by downtown Korean standards. I would stay at a cheaper hotel, but the whole purpose of the visit, other than the additional opportuntity to draft a final report for the committee after the meeting, is to lobby the data protection commissioner
community to take a further interest in ICANN and its activities. <br>
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Kind regards, <br>
Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<pre>Dear Bill and Milton,
I am writing you to request funding to cover four nights hotel in the
conference hotel in Seoul, where the Berlin group (IWGDPT, the
International worling group on data protection in telecommunications)
will be holding its meeting April 26-28. As previously discussed, they
have offered to pay my airline ticket if someone else can cover the
hotel, providing I am willing to present a report at the meeting and
follow up with a written paper. This is an excellent oppotunity to
engage the Article 29 group of data commissioners, as well as many other
commissioners and privacy experts who attend this meeting. The Berlin
group is much broader than Europe alone, and ICANN has a full item on
the attached agenda.
The costs of the hotel with breakfast are 200 KRW a night plus taxes. I
am not sure what the per diem rate is for NCUC activities, but it would
not be more than an additional $70 US per day, so my estimate of
expenses is a total of $869 US for the hotel with 21% taxes, and $280
per diem. The cost of the air ticket is 2400 so we are getting the
bettter end of this bargain.
I have booked the ticket, and made the reservation, in order to keep
costs down and get the discount rate. I do hope this is acceptable to
the executive committee. I did not seek out a cheaper hotel, because
the whole purpose of this trip is to engage the world data commissioners
and their staff in this issue, a task much more easily accomplished from
the conference hotel, especially in a place like Seoul. Further, the
rate that KISA has got from the Lotte hotel is very competitive with
other hotels.
Kind regards,
Stephanie Perrin
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