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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:33 AM, João Carlos Rebello Caribé <<a href="mailto:caribe@entropia.blog.br" class="">caribe@entropia.blog.br</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; " class="">Avri,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I argued Josep (Constituency Travel) about that and he told me to book on the date I need and when he will be advised by "out of policy" message from Egencia, he will review and approve.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>And subsequently he has said that this has all been corrected in their data base.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; " class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bill,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I'm quite confused about the dates of meetings, our last one will be the outreach meeting on Wednesday 14 or Tuesday 13? </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>NCPH meeting is 12-13, outreach is morning of 14. Then people fly if they can.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Bill<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; " class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Em 22/12/2014, às 22:52, William Drake escreveu:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite" class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi<br class="">
<br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@ACM.ORG" class="">avri@ACM.ORG</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Hi,<br class="">
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I was worried about the ability to fly out Tuesday. The invitation
says I have to fly then.<br class="">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">Approved date of departure: <b class="">
Tuesday, 13 January 2015<br class=""></b></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Huh. Odd. Don’t know why, mine says Wednesday, which is what we were promised. A failure to communicate somewhere. Will inquire.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bill<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#330033" class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""><b class="">
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</b>avri<b class=""><br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22-Dec-14 11:19, William Drake
wrote:<br class="">
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Hi
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<div class="">On Dec 22, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Avri Doria <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:avri@ACM.ORG" class="">avri@ACM.ORG</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class=""> Hi,<br class="">
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I am fine with being responsble for an issue. IANA
seems appropriate for me.<br class="">
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Ok great<br class="">
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I am still uncertain what the schedule requirements for
this are. And whether they will support the extra night
in the hotel for someone who can get home on a 10PM
flight the night before. the invite does not say they
will.<br class="">
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Again, the offer from Hoggarth is that they will pay for an
extra night of hotel for those people who cannot get flights
out Wednesday after the outreach meeting ends noonish. I
don’t qualify, and if there’s a night flight that’d work for
you then I presume you wouldn’t either. But if you wanted to
press for an exception to the rule I guess you could take it
up directly with Rob.</div>
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<div class="">Cheers</div>
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<div class="">Bill<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22-Dec-14 10:04, William
Drake wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote cite="mid:D1B63DFF-21BF-4840-B74E-1F85AFD95DD7@uzh.ch" type="cite" class=""> Hi from Chicago
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<div class="">On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:49 AM,
Milton L Mueller <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" class="">mueller@syr.edu</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div class=""><span class="">Let’s
invite L. Gordon Crovitch ;-)</span></div>
<div class=""><span class="">I’d like to
get my hands on him….</span></div>
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<div class="">Personally, politics aside, I’d prefer
to steer clear of anyone who has his minions
produce a self-important Wikipedia entry.
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<div class="">I’ve received several concrete
suggestions of names but could use more, with
affiliations and email addresses please. After
we get our travel details sorted and over the
holiday hump I’ll send back a proposed invite
list and letter that staff can blast out like
ten days before the meeting.</div>
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<div class="">In terms of content, again I’d
suggest skipping the what is ICANN org chart
thing and go straight to the distributed
presentation of 3 minute issue intros connecting
our issues with stuff folks there might care
about, followed by open conversation. A priori
I’d expect a more focused and substantive
discussion than what we managed in London and LA
if we manage to herd in a bunch of beltway
policy wonks.</div>
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<div class="">What do you folks think we should
cover, and who’d be interested in taking which
piece? Would this be a good starting point?
Topics to add? In total I don’t think we
should talk ‘at’ them for more than 30 minutes
if that before going to discussion, if we got
even a third of the names on last year’s Fadi
list I suspect we’d have robust engagement from
visitors...</div>
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<ol class="">
<li class="">IANA (Avri?)</li>
<li class="">Accountability (Matt?)</li>
<li class="">Human rights generally (Marilia?)</li>
<li class="">Privacy (Stephanie?)</li>
<li class="">FoE & 'Internet freedom’ as
locals call it (Walid?)</li>
<li class="">Access to knowledge/IPR/trademark
(Kathy?)</li>
<li class="">Development (Rafik?)</li>
<li class="">IG generally, NMI, etc (Bill?)</li>
</ol>
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<div class="">Matt, any news on whether CDT’s
office would be available like 10am - noon on
Wed. 14th? What staff have lined up for us now
is a room at Wiley Rein that sits about 20-24
people, so a) we’d definitely need to cull the
invite list and b) this would be in a rather odd
environment for a CS meeting….</div>
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<div class="">Happy holidays, as applicable.</div>
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<div class="">Bill<br class="">
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<div class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Rafik
Dammak [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" class="">mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
December 22, 2014 7:14 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>William
Drake<br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Milton
L Mueller; Matt Shears; Walid
AL-SAQAF; Marilia Maciel;
Exec. Comm; Stephanie Perrin;
Amr Elsadr; Edward Morris;
Avri Doria; Kathy Kleiman; Joy
Liddicoat; David Cake<br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NCUC-EC] Possible invitees
for NCUC CS outreach meeting
in DC Wed. 13 January</span></div>
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<div class="">Hi,</div>
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<div class="">
<div class="">I guess the list
will be shrinked somehow :) I
don't think we can consider ISOC
as civil society for example. we
can try to invite those folks
(anyway nobody talked about
inviting CP80 anyway) and see if
they can confirm their
attendance. even if we don't
expect CFR, heritage or Hudson
to join us, at least we can let
them and others know there is
already group of CS people
involved for years in ICANN and
having expertise. just recall
the letter sent about IANA
transition (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://oti.newamerica.net/blogposts/2014/oti_sends_letter_to_congress_on_the_dotcom_bill_and_the_iana_transition-107726" class="">http://oti.newamerica.net/blogposts/2014/oti_sends_letter_to_congress_on_the_dotcom_bill_and_the_iana_transition-107726</a>)</div>
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<div class="">as names , Joy
suggested to check with APC
members in USA, Kathy suggested
Rebecca recommendations (and she
wrote about NCUC before) . I can
suggest Susan Aaronson .</div>
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<div class="">
<div class="">we have 3 weeks
before this meeting and I would
expect us to have some points to
present to those folks.</div>
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<div class="">
<div class="">what would interest
DC folks?</div>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Rafik</p>
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<div class="">2014-12-16 17:47
GMT+09:00 William Drake <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank" class="">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>>:</div>
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<div class="">Hi Milton</div>
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<div class="">
<div class="">Thanks for
the input, sorry you’re
shocked. As I said,
we’re unlikely to be
able fit all the all the
people below in the room
with us, and people are
providing other names as
well. So I was
suggesting we prioritize
and invite in tranches,
in which case I’d think
we’d start with people
who might conceivably be
open to getting involved
with us, which is sort
of the purpose of an
outreach meeting. But I
don’t care enough either
way to debate it with
you, so we could instead
invite broadly and
whoever RSVPs first and
gets into the room,
that’s who we have.
Send any names you like
from Cato, Heritage,
CP80, House Republican
staff, whatever, and
I’ll pass their details
to ICANN for the invite
blast.</div>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Bill</p>
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<div class="">On
Dec 15, 2014,
at 6:58 PM,
Milton L
Mueller <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank" class="">mueller@syr.edu</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div class=""><span class="">Bill.</span></div>
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<div class=""><span class="">It’s
really wrong
and even
shocking for
you to suggest
dropping
people from
the list
because you
don’t like
their
ideology. I
don’t see
anyone on that
list who
doesn’t share
some core
values of NCUC
regarding
internet
freedom.</span></div>
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<div class=""><span class="">Either
we are the
noncommercial
stakeholders
group or we
are something
else. If the
people
involved are
involved in
nonprofit
advocacy
groups and are
eligible for
NCUC
membership
they should be
invited, full
stop.</span></div>
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<div class=""><span class="">--MM</span></div>
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<div class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class=""> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank" class=""><span class="">ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</span></a> [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank" class=""><span class="">mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</span></a>] <b class="">On
Behalf Of </b>William
Drake<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Monday,
December 15,
2014 9:20 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> Exec.
Comm<br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b> Matt
Shears;
Marilia
Maciel;
Stephanie
Perrin; Amr
Elsadr; Avri
Doria; Edward
Morris; Kathy
Kleiman; Joy
Liddicoat;
David Cake<br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> [NCUC-EC]
Possible
invitees for
NCUC CS
outreach
meeting in DC
Wed. 13
January</span></div>
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<div class="">
<div class="">Hello</div>
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<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">As
we’ve
discussed,
there will be
an NCUC civil
society
outreach
meeting in DC
the morning of
Wed. 14
January, after
the NCPH
meeting.
Probably we’ll
do 10-1pm,
we’ll see.
Think it will
be in some law
office, the
ICANN office
is not
available.
More on that
later. </div>
</div>
</div>
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<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">Again,
for the
covered
travelers, if
you cannot get
an afternoon
or evening
flight out on
the 14th,
ICANN will
cover your
hotel that
night. Once
Constituency
Travel starts
to get in
touch on this
and you’ve
worked out
your
itinerary,
please let me
and Rob
Hoggarth know
if you will be
needing hotel
for that
night.</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="">
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</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">I’d
like to do
something
similar to
what we tried
at the LA
outreach
meeting, but
better—have a
number of
people teed up
to speak 3
minutes each
on some of the
issues we work
on, hold all
Q&A until
the end and
then go to an
integrative
freewheeling
discussion.
Since the
folks we will
be inviting
are generally
pretty up to
speed beltway
mavens, we
won’t need to
do a lot of
what is ICANN
introductory
nonsense…just
get to what
we’re doing
and then have
discussion and
say if you’re
into knowing
more or maybe
even joining
please be in
touch. We’ll
sort this out
going forward.</div>
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<div class="">
<div class="">Below
is the list of
people that
the ICANN DC
office invited
to meet with
Fadi when he
was in DC in
January for
the State of
the Net
Conference. A
number of
these it’d be
good to invite
again, but
some I’d drop,
e.g. people
from
conservative
think tanks
and such who
neither share
our views nor
are going to
get involved
with us. I
don’t know
exactly how
many bodies
the room we’ll
have can
accommodate,
am waiting for
an answer on
that from Rob
and Chris, but
am guessing
we’d want a
mix like a
dozen of us
and two dozen
external
folks?</div>
</div>
</div>
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</div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class="">
<div class="">Depending
on the
numbers, we
may not be
able to
accommodate
all the bodies
we can name,
or might have
to do it in
waves, i.e.
invite a first
tranche and if
some say no
then invite
others. We’ll
figure it
out. What I
want to know
now is, are
there DC
public
interest
activists and
friendly
analysts you
can think of
who are not
listed and
might
conceivably be
interested in
meeting with
us to hear
what we’re
into etc? If
so, please
send me their
names,
affiliations
and email
addresses to
fold into the
list, and then
we’ll sort out
later who’s in
our first
tranche etc.</div>
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</div>
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<div class="">Thanks</div>
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<div class="">Bill</div>
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<ol start="1" class="" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal">Brigner Paul Internet
Society
(ISOC) Regional
Director North
America Bureau</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Solomon Brett Access Executive
Director</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Kimmelman Gene Public
Knowledge President</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Beach Tim Georgetown Director,
Program in
Science,
Technology,
and
International Affairs</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Hoffman Lance George
Washington Director,
Computer
Science
Department</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Zaychenko Elizaveta American
Enterprise
Institute Tech
Policy Intern</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Eisenach Jeffrey American
Enterprise
Institute Director,
Center for
Internet,
Communications,
and
Technology Policy</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Nojeim Gregory Center
for Democracy
and
Technology Director,
Project on
Freedom,
Security &
Technology</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Lewis James Center
for Strategic
and
International
Studies Director
and Senior
Fellow,
Strategic
Technologies
Program</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">DeNardis Laura American
University Professor,
School of
Communications</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Lordan Tim Internet
Education
Foundation Executive
Director</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Burger Eric Georgetown Research
Professor of
Computer
Science and
Director, Georgetown
Center for
Secure
Communications</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Dourado Eli George
Mason Research
Fellow, Tech
Policy,
Mercatus
Center, George
Mason Univ. </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Levin Blair Aspen
Institute Fellow,
Aspen
Institute</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Atkinson Robert ITIF President,
ITIF</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Brown Kathryn ISOC CEO,
ISOC</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Kornbluh Karen CFR Senior
Fellow for
Digital Policy</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">West Darrell Brookings Vice
President and
Director,
Governance
Studies;
Founding Director,
Center for
Technology
Innovation </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">O'Connor Nuala CDT President
& CEO</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">McDowell Robert Hudson
Institute Visiting
Fellow (and
5th panel
member)</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Lenard Thomas Technology
Policy
Institute President</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Maciel Marilia Center
for Technology
and Society,
Getulio Vargas
Foundation Project
Leader/Researcher/Assistant
Professor of
IP Law</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Tim
Maurer Open
Technology
Institute </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Kehl Danielle New
America
Foundation </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Sascha
Meinrath New
America
Foundation </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Holmes
Wilson Fight
for the
Future </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Pedro
Abramovay Open
Society
Foundations </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Yeh Jennifer Free
Press Policy
Counsel</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Craig
Aaron Free
Press </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Matt
Wood Free
Press </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Rebecca
MacKinnon New
America and
GNI </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Catalina
Botero OAS
Special
Rappourter </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Kilic Burcu Public
Citizen </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Cerda Alberto Derechos
Digitales and
Georgetown
Univ. </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Daniel
Weitzner MIT </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Vasdev Samhir World
Bank Innovation
and Design
Consultant,
Open
Technology
Alliance</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Pohl Rachel Aspen
Institute </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Rossini Carolina Public
Knowledge </li>
</ol>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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