<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Stephanie<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">People are arriving Sunday from around the world so organizing anything that night would probably be complicated, so I’d say that’s a good night for dinner with local pals. Monday night we’re hoping there will be reception and that maybe some NCSG and CSG folk can wander to an eatery for informal inter-species dialogue. Tuesday again might be more open, people will decide at the time what they want to do. Wednesday most people will probably be heading out after our outreach meeting, which should end by noon or so.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bill</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 22, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" class="">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Does anyone know what the schedule looks like for the three days?
Before i book my flights, trying to figure out a night for dinner
with pals. Nothing happens SUnday night, correct?<br class="">
cheers steph<br class="">
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Hi,<br class="">
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I am fine with being responsble for an issue. IANA seems
appropriate for me.<br class="">
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I am still uncertain what the schedule requirements for this are.
And whether they will support the extra night in the hotel for
someone who can get home on a 10PM flight the night before. the
invite does not say they will.<br class="">
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<div class=""><span class="">Let’s invite L.
Gordon Crovitch ;-)</span></div>
<div class=""><span class="">I’d like to get my
hands on him….</span></div>
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<div class="">Personally, politics aside, I’d prefer to steer
clear of anyone who has his minions produce a self-important
Wikipedia entry.
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<div class="">I’ve received several concrete suggestions of
names but could use more, with affiliations and email
addresses please. After we get our travel details sorted
and over the holiday hump I’ll send back a proposed invite
list and letter that staff can blast out like ten days
before the meeting.</div>
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<div class="">In terms of content, again I’d suggest
skipping the what is ICANN org chart thing and go straight
to the distributed presentation of 3 minute issue intros
connecting our issues with stuff folks there might care
about, followed by open conversation. A priori I’d expect
a more focused and substantive discussion than what we
managed in London and LA if we manage to herd in a bunch
of beltway policy wonks.</div>
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<div class="">What do you folks think we should cover, and
who’d be interested in taking which piece? Would this be
a good starting point? Topics to add? In total I don’t
think we should talk ‘at’ them for more than 30 minutes if
that before going to discussion, if we got even a third of
the names on last year’s Fadi list I suspect we’d have
robust engagement from visitors...</div>
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<li class="">IANA (Avri?)</li>
<li class="">Accountability (Matt?)</li>
<li class="">Human rights generally (Marilia?)</li>
<li class="">Privacy (Stephanie?)</li>
<li class="">FoE & 'Internet freedom’ as locals call
it (Walid?)</li>
<li class="">Access to knowledge/IPR/trademark (Kathy?)</li>
<li class="">Development (Rafik?)</li>
<li class="">IG generally, NMI, etc (Bill?)</li>
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<div class="">Matt, any news on whether CDT’s office would
be available like 10am - noon on Wed. 14th? What staff
have lined up for us now is a room at Wiley Rein that sits
about 20-24 people, so a) we’d definitely need to cull the
invite list and b) this would be in a rather odd
environment for a CS meeting….</div>
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Dammak [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" class="">mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
December 22, 2014 7:14 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>William
Drake<br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Milton
L Mueller; Matt Shears; Walid AL-SAQAF;
Marilia Maciel; Exec. Comm; Stephanie
Perrin; Amr Elsadr; Edward Morris; Avri
Doria; Kathy Kleiman; Joy Liddicoat;
David Cake<br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[NCUC-EC] Possible invitees for NCUC CS
outreach meeting in DC Wed. 13 January</span></div>
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<div class="">I guess the list will be
shrinked somehow :) I don't think we can
consider ISOC as civil society for
example. we can try to invite those folks
(anyway nobody talked about inviting CP80
anyway) and see if they can confirm their
attendance. even if we don't expect CFR,
heritage or Hudson to join us, at least
we can let them and others know there is
already group of CS people involved for
years in ICANN and having expertise. just
recall the letter sent about IANA
transition (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://oti.newamerica.net/blogposts/2014/oti_sends_letter_to_congress_on_the_dotcom_bill_and_the_iana_transition-107726" class="">http://oti.newamerica.net/blogposts/2014/oti_sends_letter_to_congress_on_the_dotcom_bill_and_the_iana_transition-107726</a>)</div>
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<div class="">as names , Joy suggested to
check with APC members in USA, Kathy
suggested Rebecca recommendations (and she
wrote about NCUC before) . I can suggest
Susan Aaronson .</div>
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<div class="">we have 3 weeks before this
meeting and I would expect us to have some
points to present to those folks.</div>
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<div class="">what would interest DC folks?</div>
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<div class="">Thanks for the input,
sorry you’re shocked. As I said,
we’re unlikely to be able fit all
the all the people below in the
room with us, and people are
providing other names as well. So
I was suggesting we prioritize and
invite in tranches, in which case
I’d think we’d start with people
who might conceivably be open to
getting involved with us, which is
sort of the purpose of an outreach
meeting. But I don’t care enough
either way to debate it with you,
so we could instead invite broadly
and whoever RSVPs first and gets
into the room, that’s who we
have. Send any names you like
from Cato, Heritage, CP80, House
Republican staff, whatever, and
I’ll pass their details to ICANN
for the invite blast.</div>
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2014, at 6:58 PM, Milton
L Mueller <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank" class="">mueller@syr.edu</a>>
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<div class=""><span class="">It’s
really wrong and
even shocking for
you to suggest
dropping people
from the list
because you don’t
like their
ideology. I don’t
see anyone on that
list who doesn’t
share some core
values of NCUC
regarding internet
freedom.</span></div>
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<div class=""><span class="">Either we
are the
noncommercial
stakeholders group
or we are
something else. If
the people
involved are
involved in
nonprofit advocacy
groups and are
eligible for NCUC
membership they
should be invited,
full stop.</span></div>
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<div class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class=""> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank" class=""><span class="">ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</span></a> [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank" class=""><span class="">mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</span></a>] <b class="">On
Behalf Of </b>William
Drake<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Monday,
December 15,
2014 9:20 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> Exec.
Comm<br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b> Matt
Shears;
Marilia
Maciel;
Stephanie
Perrin; Amr
Elsadr; Avri
Doria; Edward
Morris; Kathy
Kleiman; Joy
Liddicoat;
David Cake<br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> [NCUC-EC]
Possible
invitees for
NCUC CS
outreach
meeting in DC
Wed. 13
January</span></div>
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<div class="">As
we’ve discussed,
there will be an
NCUC civil
society outreach
meeting in DC
the morning of
Wed. 14 January,
after the NCPH
meeting.
Probably we’ll
do 10-1pm, we’ll
see. Think it
will be in some
law office, the
ICANN office is
not available.
More on that
later. </div>
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<div class="">Again,
for the covered
travelers, if
you cannot get
an afternoon or
evening flight
out on the 14th,
ICANN will cover
your hotel that
night. Once
Constituency
Travel starts to
get in touch on
this and you’ve
worked out your
itinerary,
please let me
and Rob Hoggarth
know if you will
be needing hotel
for that night.</div>
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<div class="">I’d
like to do
something
similar to what
we tried at the
LA outreach
meeting, but
better—have a
number of people
teed up to speak
3 minutes each
on some of the
issues we work
on, hold all
Q&A until
the end and then
go to an
integrative
freewheeling
discussion.
Since the folks
we will be
inviting are
generally pretty
up to speed
beltway mavens,
we won’t need to
do a lot of what
is ICANN
introductory
nonsense…just
get to what
we’re doing and
then have
discussion and
say if you’re
into knowing
more or maybe
even joining
please be in
touch. We’ll
sort this out
going forward.</div>
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<div class="">Below
is the list of
people that
the ICANN DC
office invited
to meet with
Fadi when he
was in DC in
January for
the State of
the Net
Conference. A
number of
these it’d be
good to invite
again, but
some I’d drop,
e.g. people
from
conservative
think tanks
and such who
neither share
our views nor
are going to
get involved
with us. I
don’t know
exactly how
many bodies
the room we’ll
have can
accommodate,
am waiting for
an answer on
that from Rob
and Chris, but
am guessing
we’d want a
mix like a
dozen of us
and two dozen
external
folks?</div>
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<div class="">Depending
on the
numbers, we
may not be
able to
accommodate
all the bodies
we can name,
or might have
to do it in
waves, i.e.
invite a first
tranche and if
some say no
then invite
others. We’ll
figure it
out. What I
want to know
now is, are
there DC
public
interest
activists and
friendly
analysts you
can think of
who are not
listed and
might
conceivably be
interested in
meeting with
us to hear
what we’re
into etc? If
so, please
send me their
names,
affiliations
and email
addresses to
fold into the
list, and then
we’ll sort out
later who’s in
our first
tranche etc.</div>
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<li class="MsoNormal">Brigner Paul Internet
Society
(ISOC) Regional
Director North
America Bureau</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Solomon Brett Access Executive
Director</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Kimmelman Gene Public
Knowledge President</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Beach Tim Georgetown Director,
Program in
Science,
Technology,
and
International Affairs</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Hoffman Lance George
Washington Director,
Computer
Science
Department</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Zaychenko Elizaveta American
Enterprise
Institute Tech
Policy Intern</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Eisenach Jeffrey American
Enterprise
Institute Director,
Center for
Internet,
Communications,
and
Technology Policy</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Nojeim Gregory Center
for Democracy
and
Technology Director,
Project on
Freedom,
Security &
Technology</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Lewis James Center
for Strategic
and
International
Studies Director
and Senior
Fellow,
Strategic
Technologies
Program</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">DeNardis Laura American
University Professor,
School of
Communications</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Lordan Tim Internet
Education
Foundation Executive
Director</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Burger Eric Georgetown Research
Professor of
Computer
Science and
Director, Georgetown
Center for
Secure
Communications</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Dourado Eli George
Mason Research
Fellow, Tech
Policy,
Mercatus
Center, George
Mason Univ. </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Levin Blair Aspen
Institute Fellow,
Aspen
Institute</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Atkinson Robert ITIF President,
ITIF</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Brown Kathryn ISOC CEO,
ISOC</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Kornbluh Karen CFR Senior
Fellow for
Digital Policy</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">West Darrell Brookings Vice
President and
Director,
Governance
Studies;
Founding Director,
Center for
Technology
Innovation </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">O'Connor Nuala CDT President
& CEO</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">McDowell Robert Hudson
Institute Visiting
Fellow (and
5th panel
member)</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Lenard Thomas Technology
Policy
Institute President</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Maciel Marilia Center
for Technology
and Society,
Getulio Vargas
Foundation Project
Leader/Researcher/Assistant
Professor of
IP Law</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Tim
Maurer Open
Technology
Institute </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Kehl Danielle New
America
Foundation </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Sascha
Meinrath New
America
Foundation </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Holmes
Wilson Fight
for the
Future </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Pedro
Abramovay Open
Society
Foundations </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Yeh Jennifer Free
Press Policy
Counsel</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Craig
Aaron Free
Press </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Matt
Wood Free
Press </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Rebecca
MacKinnon New
America and
GNI </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Catalina
Botero OAS
Special
Rappourter </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Kilic Burcu Public
Citizen </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Cerda Alberto Derechos
Digitales and
Georgetown
Univ. </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Daniel
Weitzner MIT </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Vasdev Samhir World
Bank Innovation
and Design
Consultant,
Open
Technology
Alliance</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Pohl Rachel Aspen
Institute </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">Rossini Carolina Public
Knowledge </li>
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