<p dir="ltr">Yes</p>
<p dir="ltr">Rafik</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 8, 2014 5:49 PM, "Matthew Shears" <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Is the meeting going ahead?<br>
    <br>
    <div>On 12/8/2014 8:02 AM, William Drake
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      Joy would you be able to come to DC if we have an extra slot?
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>BD</div>
      <div><br>
        <div>
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <div>On Dec 7, 2014, at 7:01 PM, joy <<a href="mailto:joy@apc.org" target="_blank">joy@apc.org</a>> wrote:</div>
            <br>
            <div>
              
              <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi Bill<br>
                Thanks for your note on this - just wondering what other
                support or assitance you need for this now? Please just
                let us know.<br>
                <br>
                Joy <br>
                <div>On 26/11/2014 9:57 p.m.,
                  William Drake wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  
                  Hi
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Thanks folks for the good suggestion.  
                    It’s not clear we'd need to do this with the CSG
                    since a) the 4 plenary slots look to be full, b)
                    their forward looking agenda would be different from
                    ours, and c) co-designing it this would turn into
                    another protracted negotiation with our hydra-headed
                    counterpart.  My suggestion would be that we do this
                    amongst ourselves in one of the two time slots
                    reserved for NCSG.  There are a number of other
                    items we may also want to pack into those slots,
                    e.g.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Procedural: dialogue on improving the
                    functioning of NCSG</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Substantive: discussions in various
                    places led me to believe that people would like to
                    talk about IANA and/or EWG and privacy.  CSG is not
                    interested in either of these as plenary topics
                    (although if we do the open fourth session I propose
                    we could still raise some things to air views and
                    see what they’ll say).  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>(Privacy was part of why I reach out to
                    Rotenberg as a possibility for one of the three
                    additional slots, along with Kathy K and another
                    player TBD.  If we drop it probably he skips,
                    whatever.  Or we could maybe do an outreach thing
                    Wed where he’d fit.  Matt is there someone from CDT
                    that might be interested in attending?)</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Fadi: We need the man the morning of day
                    2 after he visits CSG.  I think it’s important that
                    we are well prepared to lay out our concerns and
                    seek concrete look me in the eye responses,
                    otherwise he’ll fill the void and give us a speech
                    like last time, when we learned that civil society
                    is a bunch of crazies locked in the basement
                    (seriously).  So really, unless we do it online
                    prior, I’d suggest that the day 2 slot entail
                    Fadi-prep.  Which would mean packing everything else
                    into the day one slot, and the constituency slots.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>In any event: the participants (NCSG
                    Councilors + 3 others from the PC, NCUC EC, NPOC EC)
                    should have a dialogue about how they want to use
                    those slots.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Bill<br>
                    <br>
                    <div>
                      ***********************************************<br>
                      William J. Drake<br>
                      International Fellow & Lecturer<br>
                        Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br>
                        University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>
                      Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, <br>
                        ICANN, <a href="http://www.ncuc.org/" target="_blank">www.ncuc.org</a><br>
                      <a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a> (direct), <a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>
                      (lists),<br>
                        <a href="http://www.williamdrake.org/" target="_blank">www.williamdrake.org</a><br>
                      *********************************************** </div>
                    <br>
                    <div>
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <div>On Nov 25, 2014, at 12:52 PM,
                          Matthew Shears <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" target="_blank">mshears@cdt.org</a>>

                          wrote:</div>
                        <br>
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                            Excellent idea - Rafik and I were just
                            discussing the same.  Should we create some
                            shareable doc to start the process?  Is
                            there some more formal way of doing it
                            within the PC?<br>
                            <br>
                            Matthew<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <div>On 11/25/2014
                              9:56 AM, joy wrote:<br>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote type="cite">
                              
                              Hi Bill - thanks a lot for sharing this -
                              just wondering .... would it also be
                              useful to do some kind of forward looking
                              exercise to help planning? For example,
                              mapping those new or emerging issues
                              likely to impact on policy work in the
                              2015 as well as those spaces outside ICANN
                              where SGs are planning to engage in 2015.<br>
                              Joy<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              <div>On 25/11/2014
                                10:02 p.m., William Drake wrote:<br>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                
                                Hi
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Just to keep folks in the
                                  loop on discussions about January.
                                   Any thoughts on any of the below?</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Bill<br>
                                  <div><br>
                                    <blockquote type="cite">
                                      <div>Begin forwarded
                                        message:</div>
                                      <br>
                                      <div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,sans-serif"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,sans-serif"><b>Re: For
                                            Review and Feedback -- Draft
                                            NCPH Meeting Agenda</b><br>
                                        </span></div>
                                      <div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,sans-serif"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,sans-serif">William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>><br>
                                        </span></div>
                                      <div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,sans-serif"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,sans-serif">November 25, 2014 at
                                          9:55:39 AM GMT+1<br>
                                        </span></div>
                                      <div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,sans-serif"><b>Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,sans-serif">Robert Hoggarth <<a href="mailto:robert.hoggarth@icann.org" target="_blank">robert.hoggarth@icann.org</a>>,



                                          Tony Holmes <<a href="mailto:tonyarholmes@btinternet.com" target="_blank">tonyarholmes@btinternet.com</a>>,



                                          Elisa Cooper <<a href="mailto:Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com" target="_blank">Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com</a>>,



                                          "<a href="mailto:rudi.vansnick@isoc.be" target="_blank">rudi.vansnick@isoc.be</a>"
                                          <<a href="mailto:rudi.vansnick@isoc.be" target="_blank">rudi.vansnick@isoc.be</a>>,

                                          Marilyn Cade <<a href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com" target="_blank">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>>,



                                          "<a href="mailto:lori.schulman@ascd.org" target="_blank">lori.schulman@ascd.org</a>"
                                          <<a href="mailto:lori.schulman@ascd.org" target="_blank">lori.schulman@ascd.org</a>>,

                                          Kristina Rosette <<a href="mailto:krosette@cov.com" target="_blank">krosette@cov.com</a>>,



                                          Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>,

                                          Jimson Olufuye <<a href="mailto:jolufuye@kontemporary.net" target="_blank">jolufuye@kontemporary.net</a>>,



                                          Maryam Bakoshi <<a href="mailto:maryam.bakoshi@icann.org" target="_blank">maryam.bakoshi@icann.org</a>>,



                                          Brenda Brewer <<a href="mailto:brenda.brewer@icann.org" target="_blank">brenda.brewer@icann.org</a>>,



                                          Benedetta Rossi <<a href="mailto:benedetta.rossi@icann.org" target="_blank">benedetta.rossi@icann.org</a>>,



                                          Stefania Milan <<a href="mailto:Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu" target="_blank">Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu</a>>,

                                          William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>><br>
                                        </span></div>
                                      <div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,sans-serif"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,sans-serif">"Metalitz, Steven"
                                          <<a href="mailto:met@msk.com" target="_blank">met@msk.com</a>><br>
                                        </span></div>
                                      <br>
                                      <div>
                                        
                                        <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi

                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div>
                                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                                <div>On Nov 25,
                                                  2014, at 12:17 AM,
                                                  Metalitz, Steven <<a href="mailto:met@msk.com" target="_blank">met@msk.com</a>>

                                                  wrote:</div>
                                                <br>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
                                                        second Bill’s
                                                        thanks to Rob
                                                        for this draft. <u></u><u></u></span></div>
                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div>
                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I also
                                                        think Bill’s
                                                        suggestions re
                                                        possible topics
                                                        for the Monday
                                                        AM sessions make
                                                        sense.  Would be
                                                        interested in
                                                        others’ views.</span></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              Yes, please<br>
                                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                                <div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div>
                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Beyond
                                                        accountability,
                                                        one topic IPC
                                                        would like to
                                                        see addressed in
                                                        the “plenary”
                                                        (perhaps on
                                                        Tuesday
                                                        afternoon) would
                                                        be New gTLDs,
                                                        which should
                                                        include
                                                        preparation for
                                                        the AOC review
                                                        as well as the
                                                        other
                                                        initiatives
                                                        staff is
                                                        undertaking. <span> </span></span></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                                <div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div>
                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I don’t
                                                        think EWG is a
                                                        great topic for
                                                        this meeting. 
                                                        GNSO review
                                                        certainly could
                                                        be contentious
                                                        but maybe good
                                                        to start having
                                                        that discussion
                                                        here, as I see
                                                        was discussed in
                                                        dialogue between
                                                        Bill and Tony
                                                        earlier today. 
                                                         </span></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Ok, so if
                                                I’m remembering the
                                                conversation correctly,
                                                the items suggested so
                                                far by more than one SG
                                                would be</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>1.
                                                Accountability </div>
                                              <div>2. GNSO
                                                review including SG/C
                                                issues</div>
                                              <div>3. In-house
                                                coordination as needed
                                                in light of past
                                                differences on board,
                                                GNSO VC, etc. (if we
                                                exhaust this topic
                                                quickly or hit a wall
                                                the remaining time could
                                                be spent on larger
                                                intra-GNSO dynamics,
                                                e.g. role of the Council
                                                in relation to the GNSO
                                                community,
                                                contracted/noncontracted,
                                                whatever)</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>And options
                                                suggested by one SG
                                                include</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>*IANA or EWG
                                                (NCSG)</div>
                                              <div>*New gTLDs
                                                and AOC (CSG)</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                                <div>
                                                  <div style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div>
                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">We need
                                                        to build in a
                                                        little
                                                        flexibility to
                                                        account for the
                                                        possibility
                                                        (likelihood?)
                                                        that the House
                                                        will want to
                                                        “revisit” on
                                                        Tuesday one or
                                                        more of the
                                                        topics first
                                                        broached on
                                                        Monday.  For
                                                        example, we
                                                        might reach
                                                        agreement in
                                                        principle on
                                                        something and
                                                        ask a subgroup
                                                        to draft a
                                                        statement for
                                                        discussion the
                                                        next day.  In
                                                        other words,
                                                        best to
                                                        frontload the
                                                        plenary topics a
                                                        bit so there is
                                                        some extra time
                                                        on Tuesday
                                                        afternoon. <span> </span></span></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>3 morning
                                                coffee thoughts:</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>*As the SGs
                                                have separate meetings
                                                in slots E and H, we’ll
                                                have chances to talk
                                                about items of less
                                                interest to the other
                                                SG.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>*To leave
                                                time for Steve’s
                                                flexibility and
                                                accommodate any
                                                unfinished
                                                conversational threads
                                                or unaddressed items,
                                                why not leave the fourth
                                                slot unprogrammed, like
                                                a big AOB?  It’s only 90
                                                minutes, and an open
                                                discussion opportunity
                                                would allow for
                                                reflections on the
                                                meeting and ensure
                                                nobody goes away feeling
                                                like they didn’t get to
                                                raise something they
                                                care about. Would be an
                                                integrative way to end
                                                the two days.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>*Per
                                                previous I tend to think
                                                it better to lead off
                                                with items where there’s
                                                broad agreement and ease
                                                into topics that might
                                                be more difficult after
                                                people have been
                                                together a bit, which
                                                might suggest proceeding
                                                1, 2, 3 above => 4
                                                open/loose ends
                                                discussion.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Thoughts?</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Other bits:</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>*Additional
                                                bodies: I believe we
                                                have agreed 3 per SG.
                                                 Personally, I would not
                                                designate them as
                                                ‘observers’, if we are
                                                going to invite someone
                                                they shouldn’t be
                                                somehow marked as
                                                different and should be
                                                able to participate
                                                fully like anyone else.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>*Lunch
                                                speakers: Per previous
                                                my suggestion would be
                                                to let people chat on
                                                the first day, and would
                                                strongly encourage
                                                people to sit
                                                intermingled rather than
                                                self-segregated into
                                                NCSG and CSG tables.  On
                                                the second day, we could
                                                do a) Larry; b) a less
                                                familiar-to-all beltway
                                                denizen, e.g. a
                                                Congressional or think
                                                tank poobah; or c) Fadi,
                                                who will have just met
                                                separately with the two
                                                SGs and might helpfully
                                                address us on an
                                                integrative basis
                                                thereafter.  I guess one
                                                also could argue it’d be
                                                 sort of bad form to not
                                                invite him to address us
                                                as group, no?</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>*Markus: I
                                                would suggest that he be
                                                asked to participate in
                                                Fadi’s Day 2 discussions
                                                with the SGs so he can
                                                get more familiar with
                                                our respective concerns.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>*”Day 3”: I
                                                asked yesterday if
                                                others are planning on
                                                doing any sort of
                                                outreach meeting
                                                Wednesday morning on a
                                                SG or constituency
                                                basis, if so I’d think
                                                we should do the same
                                                and would need to factor
                                                that into our planning
                                                soon as it could affect
                                                travel schedules etc.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Thanks</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Bill</div>
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                                                      <div><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span>William Drake [<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch</a>]<span> </span><br>
                                                          <b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:35
                                                          AM<br>
                                                          <b>To:</b><span> </span>Robert Hoggarth<br>
                                                          <b>Cc:</b><span> </span>Tony Holmes; Elisa Cooper;<span> </span><a href="mailto:rudi.vansnick@isoc.be" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">rudi.vansnick@isoc.be</a>;
                                                          Marilyn Cade;<span> </span><a href="mailto:lori.schulman@ascd.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">lori.schulman@ascd.org</a>;
                                                          Kristina
                                                          Rosette;
                                                          Metalitz,
                                                          Steven; Rafik
                                                          Dammak; Jimson
                                                          Olufuye;
                                                          Maryam
                                                          Bakoshi;
                                                          Brenda Brewer;
                                                          Benedetta
                                                          Rossi;
                                                          Stefania
                                                          Milan; William
                                                          Drake<br>
                                                          <b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: For Review and Feedback --
                                                          Draft NCPH
                                                          Meeting Agenda<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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                                                  <div><u></u> <u></u></div>
                                                  <div>Hello<u></u><u></u></div>
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                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Thanks

                                                      Rob for moving us
                                                      along.  Some
                                                      initial reactions:<u></u><u></u></div>
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                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">The

                                                      overall schedule
                                                      maps well with
                                                      what we discussed.<u></u><u></u></div>
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                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Re:

                                                      the Day 1
                                                      morning NCPH
                                                      sessions, perhaps
                                                      one option would
                                                      be to lead with
                                                      one on broader
                                                      changes/conditions
                                                      in the ICANN
                                                      environment on
                                                      which
                                                      non-contracted
                                                      would have broadly
                                                      similar concerns,
                                                      e.g.
                                                      expansion/diversification
                                                      of contracted
                                                      parties and
                                                      possible GNSO
                                                      implications; and
                                                      then do the second
                                                      one on our
                                                      intra-house
                                                      dynamics and
                                                      cooperation, e.g.
                                                      conduct of
                                                      elections etc.  In
                                                      other words, lead
                                                      off with shared
                                                      stuff to get
                                                      everyone
                                                      acclimated and
                                                      then ease into
                                                      items on which
                                                      we’ve struggled a
                                                      bit?<u></u><u></u></div>
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                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Re:

                                                      the Day 2
                                                      afternoon NCPH
                                                      sessions, it
                                                      sounded on the
                                                      call like we all
                                                      agreed on
                                                      Accountability as
                                                      a substantive
                                                      discussion topic.
                                                       If I understood
                                                      Steve correctly
                                                      CSG would be less
                                                      interested in
                                                      talking about IANA
                                                      stewardship in
                                                      this context.  If
                                                      so, perhaps EWG?
                                                       Or would we want
                                                      to discuss the
                                                      GNSO Review and
                                                      structural issues
                                                      in more detail?<u></u><u></u></div>
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                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">I
                                                      suppose the four
                                                      NCPH sessions
                                                      could be ordered a
                                                      number of ways. We
                                                      also could for ex
                                                      hold the
                                                      intra-house
                                                      discussion for one
                                                      of the Day 2
                                                      slots, after folks
                                                      have been spending
                                                      time together and
                                                      are warmed up etc…<u></u><u></u></div>
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                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Re:

                                                      lunches,  on the
                                                      first day, maybe
                                                      we’d want more
                                                      casual
                                                      conversation
                                                      opportunities? A
                                                      speaker on the
                                                      second day might
                                                      be good, a beltway
                                                      luminary of some
                                                      sort?  <u></u><u></u></div>
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                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Steve

                                                      suggested
                                                      expanding the head
                                                      count a little so
                                                      a few local
                                                      community members
                                                      could join.  As
                                                      discussed,
                                                      alternative
                                                      considerations
                                                      would be keeping
                                                      the group size
                                                      reasonably
                                                      conversational and
                                                      not being
                                                      asymmetric.  Could
                                                      we compromise on
                                                      adding two heads
                                                      per house?<u></u><u></u></div>
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                                                  <div>
                                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">I
                                                      had a drink with
                                                      Markus the other
                                                      night and he
                                                      didn’t know about
                                                      the meeting, but
                                                      he checked his
                                                      schedule and is
                                                      available.  I
                                                      agree it’d be good
                                                      to have him there
                                                      so folks who
                                                      aren’t could get
                                                      acquainted. <u></u><u></u></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div><u></u> <u></u></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>Also,
                                                        going forward,
                                                        two process
                                                        requests:<u></u><u></u></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div><u></u> <u></u></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>*Please
                                                        include my NCUC
                                                        EC colleague
                                                        Stefania Milan
                                                        on the Cc, <a href="mailto:Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu</a>.
                                                         She is copied
                                                        here.<u></u><u></u></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div><u></u> <u></u></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>*Please
                                                        send to me at
                                                        only one
                                                        address, <a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>,
                                                        I don’t need
                                                        copies of every
                                                        message in both
                                                        my accounts.<u></u><u></u></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div><u></u> <u></u></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>thanks
                                                        much<u></u><u></u></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div><u></u> <u></u></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>Bill<u></u><u></u></div>
                                                    </div>
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