<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks folks for the good suggestion.   It’s not clear we'd need to do this with the CSG since a) the 4 plenary slots look to be full, b) their forward looking agenda would be different from ours, and c) co-designing it this would turn into another protracted negotiation with our hydra-headed counterpart.  My suggestion would be that we do this amongst ourselves in one of the two time slots reserved for NCSG.  There are a number of other items we may also want to pack into those slots, e.g.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Procedural: dialogue on improving the functioning of NCSG</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Substantive: discussions in various places led me to believe that people would like to talk about IANA and/or EWG and privacy.  CSG is not interested in either of these as plenary topics (although if we do the open fourth session I propose we could still raise some things to air views and see what they’ll say).  </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(Privacy was part of why I reach out to Rotenberg as a possibility for one of the three additional slots, along with Kathy K and another player TBD.  If we drop it probably he skips, whatever.  Or we could maybe do an outreach thing Wed where he’d fit.  Matt is there someone from CDT that might be interested in attending?)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Fadi: We need the man the morning of day 2 after he visits CSG.  I think it’s important that we are well prepared to lay out our concerns and seek concrete look me in the eye responses, otherwise he’ll fill the void and give us a speech like last time, when we learned that civil society is a bunch of crazies locked in the basement (seriously).  So really, unless we do it online prior, I’d suggest that the day 2 slot entail Fadi-prep.  Which would mean packing everything else into the day one slot, and the constituency slots.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In any event: the participants (NCSG Councilors + 3 others from the PC, NCUC EC, NPOC EC) should have a dialogue about how they want to use those slots.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bill<br class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 25, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Matthew Shears <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" class="">mshears@cdt.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
  
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    Excellent idea - Rafik and I were just discussing the same.  Should
    we create some shareable doc to start the process?  Is there some
    more formal way of doing it within the PC?<br class="">
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    Matthew<br class="">
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/25/2014 9:56 AM, joy wrote:<br class="">
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      Hi Bill - thanks a lot for sharing this - just wondering ....
      would it also be useful to do some kind of forward looking
      exercise to help planning? For example, mapping those new or
      emerging issues likely to impact on policy work in the 2015 as
      well as those spaces outside ICANN where SGs are planning to
      engage in 2015.<br class="">
      Joy<br class="">
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/11/2014 10:02 p.m., William
        Drake wrote:<br class="">
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        <div class="">Just to keep folks in the loop on discussions
          about January.  Any thoughts on any of the below?</div>
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        <div class="">Bill<br class="">
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                  Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Re:
                    For Review and Feedback -- Draft NCPH Meeting Agenda</b><br class="">
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                margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica
                  Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">William Drake
                  <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" class="">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>><br class="">
                </span></div>
              <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
                margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica
                  Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">November 25,
                  2014 at 9:55:39 AM GMT+1<br class="">
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              <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
                margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica
                  Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Robert Hoggarth
                  <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:robert.hoggarth@icann.org" class="">robert.hoggarth@icann.org</a>>,

                  Tony Holmes <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:tonyarholmes@btinternet.com" class="">tonyarholmes@btinternet.com</a>>,

                  Elisa Cooper <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com" class="">Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com</a>>,

                  "<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rudi.vansnick@isoc.be" class="">rudi.vansnick@isoc.be</a>"
                  <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rudi.vansnick@isoc.be" class="">rudi.vansnick@isoc.be</a>>,

                  Marilyn Cade <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com" class="">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>>,

                  "<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lori.schulman@ascd.org" class="">lori.schulman@ascd.org</a>"
                  <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lori.schulman@ascd.org" class="">lori.schulman@ascd.org</a>>,

                  Kristina Rosette <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:krosette@cov.com" class="">krosette@cov.com</a>>,

                  Rafik Dammak <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" class="">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>,

                  Jimson Olufuye <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jolufuye@kontemporary.net" class="">jolufuye@kontemporary.net</a>>,

                  Maryam Bakoshi <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:maryam.bakoshi@icann.org" class="">maryam.bakoshi@icann.org</a>>,

                  Brenda Brewer <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:brenda.brewer@icann.org" class="">brenda.brewer@icann.org</a>>,

                  Benedetta Rossi <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:benedetta.rossi@icann.org" class="">benedetta.rossi@icann.org</a>>,

                  Stefania Milan <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu" class="">Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu</a>>,

                  William Drake <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" class="">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>><br class="">
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                  Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">"Metalitz,
                  Steven" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:met@msk.com" class="">met@msk.com</a>><br class="">
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                        <div class="">On Nov 25, 2014, at 12:17 AM,
                          Metalitz, Steven <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:met@msk.com" class="">met@msk.com</a>>

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                                to Rob for this draft. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                suggestions re possible topics for the
                                Monday AM sessions make sense.  Would be
                                interested in others’ views.</span></div>
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                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                                125);" class="">Beyond accountability,
                                one topic IPC would like to see
                                addressed in the “plenary” (perhaps on
                                Tuesday afternoon) would be New gTLDs,
                                which should include preparation for the
                                AOC review as well as the other
                                initiatives staff is undertaking. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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                                125);" class="">I don’t think EWG is a
                                great topic for this meeting.  GNSO
                                review certainly could be contentious
                                but maybe good to start having that
                                discussion here, as I see was discussed
                                in dialogue between Bill and Tony
                                earlier today.   </span></div>
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                      <div class="">Ok, so if I’m remembering the
                        conversation correctly, the items suggested so
                        far by more than one SG would be</div>
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                      <div class="">1. Accountability </div>
                      <div class="">2. GNSO review including SG/C issues</div>
                      <div class="">3. In-house coordination as needed
                        in light of past differences on board, GNSO VC,
                        etc. (if we exhaust this topic quickly or hit a
                        wall the remaining time could be spent on larger
                        intra-GNSO dynamics, e.g. role of the Council in
                        relation to the GNSO community,
                        contracted/noncontracted, whatever)</div>
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                      <div class="">And options suggested by one SG
                        include</div>
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                      <div class="">*IANA or EWG (NCSG)</div>
                      <div class="">*New gTLDs and AOC (CSG)</div>
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                                Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
                                125);" class="">We need to build in a
                                little flexibility to account for the
                                possibility (likelihood?) that the House
                                will want to “revisit” on Tuesday one or
                                more of the topics first broached on
                                Monday.  For example, we might reach
                                agreement in principle on something and
                                ask a subgroup to draft a statement for
                                discussion the next day.  In other
                                words, best to frontload the plenary
                                topics a bit so there is some extra time
                                on Tuesday afternoon. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
                          </div>
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                      <div class="">3 morning coffee thoughts:</div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class="">*As the SGs have separate meetings
                        in slots E and H, we’ll have chances to talk
                        about items of less interest to the other SG.</div>
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                      </div>
                      <div class="">*To leave time for Steve’s
                        flexibility and accommodate any unfinished
                        conversational threads or unaddressed items, why
                        not leave the fourth slot unprogrammed, like a
                        big AOB?  It’s only 90 minutes, and an open
                        discussion opportunity would allow for
                        reflections on the meeting and ensure nobody
                        goes away feeling like they didn’t get to raise
                        something they care about. Would be an
                        integrative way to end the two days.</div>
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                      </div>
                      <div class="">*Per previous I tend to think it
                        better to lead off with items where there’s
                        broad agreement and ease into topics that might
                        be more difficult after people have been
                        together a bit, which might suggest proceeding
                        1, 2, 3 above => 4 open/loose ends
                        discussion.</div>
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                      </div>
                      <div class="">Thoughts?</div>
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                      </div>
                      <div class="">Other bits:</div>
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                      </div>
                      <div class="">*Additional bodies: I believe we
                        have agreed 3 per SG.  Personally, I would not
                        designate them as ‘observers’, if we are going
                        to invite someone they shouldn’t be somehow
                        marked as different and should be able to
                        participate fully like anyone else.</div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class="">*Lunch speakers: Per previous my
                        suggestion would be to let people chat on the
                        first day, and would strongly encourage people
                        to sit intermingled rather than self-segregated
                        into NCSG and CSG tables.  On the second day, we
                        could do a) Larry; b) a less familiar-to-all
                        beltway denizen, e.g. a Congressional or think
                        tank poobah; or c) Fadi, who will have just met
                        separately with the two SGs and might helpfully
                        address us on an integrative basis thereafter.
                         I guess one also could argue it’d be  sort of
                        bad form to not invite him to address us as
                        group, no?</div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class="">*Markus: I would suggest that he be
                        asked to participate in Fadi’s Day 2 discussions
                        with the SGs so he can get more familiar with
                        our respective concerns.</div>
                      <div class=""><br class="">
                      </div>
                      <div class="">*”Day 3”: I asked yesterday if
                        others are planning on doing any sort of
                        outreach meeting Wednesday morning on a SG or
                        constituency basis, if so I’d think we should do
                        the same and would need to factor that into our
                        planning soon as it could affect travel
                        schedules etc.</div>
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                      </div>
                      <div class="">Thanks</div>
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                      <div class="">Bill</div>
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                                    Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
                                  Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>William

                                  Drake [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" style="color: purple;
                                    text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                                  <b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday,

                                  November 15, 2014 9:35 AM<br class="">
                                  <b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Robert

                                  Hoggarth<br class="">
                                  <b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tony

                                  Holmes; Elisa Cooper;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rudi.vansnick@isoc.be" style="color: purple;
                                    text-decoration: underline;" class="">rudi.vansnick@isoc.be</a>;
                                  Marilyn Cade;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lori.schulman@ascd.org" style="color: purple;
                                    text-decoration: underline;" class="">lori.schulman@ascd.org</a>;
                                  Kristina Rosette; Metalitz, Steven;
                                  Rafik Dammak; Jimson Olufuye; Maryam
                                  Bakoshi; Brenda Brewer; Benedetta
                                  Rossi; Stefania Milan; William Drake<br class="">
                                  <b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:

                                  For Review and Feedback -- Draft NCPH
                                  Meeting Agenda<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                          <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                            Roman', serif;" class="">Hello<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                              Roman', serif;" class="">Thanks Rob for
                              moving us along.  Some initial reactions:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                          </div>
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                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                              Roman', serif;" class="">The overall
                              schedule maps well with what we discussed.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                          </div>
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                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                              Roman', serif;" class="">Re: the Day 1
                              morning NCPH sessions, perhaps one option
                              would be to lead with one on broader
                              changes/conditions in the ICANN
                              environment on which non-contracted would
                              have broadly similar concerns, e.g.
                              expansion/diversification of contracted
                              parties and possible GNSO implications;
                              and then do the second one on our
                              intra-house dynamics and cooperation, e.g.
                              conduct of elections etc.  In other words,
                              lead off with shared stuff to get everyone
                              acclimated and then ease into items on
                              which we’ve struggled a bit?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                          </div>
                          <div class="">
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                          </div>
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                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                              Roman', serif;" class="">Re: the Day 2
                              afternoon NCPH sessions, it sounded on the
                              call like we all agreed on Accountability
                              as a substantive discussion topic.  If I
                              understood Steve correctly CSG would be
                              less interested in talking about IANA
                              stewardship in this context.  If so,
                              perhaps EWG?  Or would we want to discuss
                              the GNSO Review and structural issues in
                              more detail?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                          </div>
                          <div class="">
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                          </div>
                          <div class="">
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                              Roman', serif;" class="">I suppose the
                              four NCPH sessions could be ordered a
                              number of ways. We also could for ex hold
                              the intra-house discussion for one of the
                              Day 2 slots, after folks have been
                              spending time together and are warmed up
                              etc…<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                          </div>
                          <div class="">
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                          </div>
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                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                              Roman', serif;" class="">Re: lunches,  on
                              the first day, maybe we’d want more casual
                              conversation opportunities? A speaker on
                              the second day might be good, a beltway
                              luminary of some sort?  <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                          </div>
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                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                              Roman', serif;" class="">Steve suggested
                              expanding the head count a little so a few
                              local community members could join.  As
                              discussed, alternative considerations
                              would be keeping the group size reasonably
                              conversational and not being asymmetric.
                               Could we compromise on adding two heads
                              per house?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                          </div>
                          <div class="">
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                          </div>
                          <div class="">
                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                              font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                              Roman', serif;" class="">I had a drink
                              with Markus the other night and he didn’t
                              know about the meeting, but he checked his
                              schedule and is available.  I agree it’d
                              be good to have him there so folks who
                              aren’t could get acquainted. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                          </div>
                          <div class="">
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                            </div>
                            <div class="">
                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                                font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                                Roman', serif;" class="">Also, going
                                forward, two process requests:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">
                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                                Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">
                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                                font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                                Roman', serif;" class="">*Please include
                                my NCUC EC colleague Stefania Milan on
                                the Cc, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                                  underline;" class="">Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu</a>.
                                 She is copied here.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                            </div>
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                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                                Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">
                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                                font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
                                Roman', serif;" class="">*Please send to
                                me at only one address, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" style="color: purple; text-decoration:
                                  underline;" class="">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>,
                                I don’t need copies of every message in
                                both my accounts.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">
                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                                Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                                Roman', serif;" class="">thanks much<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                Roman', serif;" class="">Bill<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                                  New Roman', serif;" class="">On Nov
                                  15, 2014, at 6:29 AM, Robert Hoggarth
                                  <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:robert.hoggarth@icann.org" style="color: purple;
                                    text-decoration: underline;" class="">robert.hoggarth@icann.org</a>>

                                  wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                        sans-serif;" class="">Hi
                                        Everyone,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                      serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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                                        sans-serif;" class="">Attached
                                        please find a draft "strawman"
                                        agenda structure (Version "v1")
                                        for the January NCPH meeting.
                                         Per our discussion this week,
                                         please share and discuss it
                                        with your individual communities
                                        as you see fit.  If our previous
                                        2013 effort is a good guide,
                                        this is likely to be the first
                                        of several agenda drafts before
                                        we reach a final version.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                      serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
                                        font-family: Calibri,
                                        sans-serif;" class="">Please
                                        provide as many
                                        comments/reactions/edit
                                        suggestions/etc. as possible via
                                        email over the course of the
                                        next week. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                      serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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                                        sans-serif;" class="">Benedetta
                                        will be circulating a Doodle
                                        poll to select the date for the
                                        next planning call, and I hope
                                        we can make some on-line
                                        progress prior to that next
                                        meeting.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                        sans-serif;" class="">Please
                                        note that I am now including
                                        Maryam Bakoshi and Brenda Brewer
                                        on the cc list so that they can
                                        be ready to assist you in
                                        prepping your individual meeting
                                        agendas during the course of the
                                        events that week.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in
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                                      serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
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                                  </div>
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in
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                                      serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
                                        font-family: Calibri,
                                        sans-serif;" class="">Believe it
                                        or not, with one major
                                        exception, our planning
                                        timetable is still pretty
                                        consistent with the timing of
                                        the 2013 meeting planning
                                        effort. The one area where we
                                        REALLY need your help is to
                                        provide as many
                                        traveler/delegate names as soon
                                        as  possible so that we can make
                                        sure that all intended
                                        travelers/delegates have
                                        reasonable travel schedules and
                                        any visas they may need to get
                                        into the U.S. for the meeting.
                                        Please provide that info to me
                                        as soon as possible so that we
                                        can maximize the use of our
                                        support resources for the
                                        meeting.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                  </div>
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                                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in
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                                      serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
                                        font-family: Calibri,
                                        sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="">
                                    <div style="margin: 0in 0in
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                                      serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
                                        font-family: Calibri,
                                        sans-serif;" class="">Thank you
                                        all for your help and support of
                                        this planning effort!<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                  </div>
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                                      serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
                                        font-family: Calibri,
                                        sans-serif;" class="">Best,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                        sans-serif;" class="">Rob <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                  - NCPH InterSessional (v1-
                                  14Nov2014).docx><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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