<div dir="ltr">Hi Bill,<div><br></div><div>sorry for the confusion, the deadline of 15th November is for rightcons call for proposals. last edition, ICANN staff organized a session <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/engaging-with-global-civil-society-and-business-at-rightscon-silicon-valley">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/engaging-with-global-civil-society-and-business-at-rightscon-silicon-valley</a> so I thought that would make to organize something in event where they are many activists and organization that we would to outreach.</div><div>for CROPP I think can be done anytime and we need anyway to liaise with the regional VP, who would be Kuek for APAC and I know him well</div><div>other options would be AP IGF but the date and host country not decided yet (likely Macao)</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">Rafik <br></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-10-25 18:12 GMT+09:00 William Drake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi<div><br></div><div>While I always appreciate Ray’s support (as chair of the Structural Improvements Committee, he was the lead in refusing to let us have an integrated SG and forcing this whole dysfunctional architecture of ‘competing' constituencies on us, in large part to reduce hamper NCUC and limit its influence), and I know he’s an ASO guy, it’s not entirely obvious to me why we would preference attending RIR meetings over other meetings. The purpose of the CROPP program is not to train us in the ways of IP address management. It is to do outreach to potential new members who might be drawn into the GNSOsphere. Personally, I think we are more likely to find new members at the sorts of meetings we’ve discussed already than among numbers folks. That said, if someone wants to attend an RIR meeting and there’s no better option for slot usage in the given region, sure.</div><div><br></div><div>To recap: to date, a) I’ve said I want to apply for support to attend EuroDIG, b) Stefi has said the same*, and c) Rafik would like to apply to do Rightscon. So that’s three very viable options for outreach (we need to redistribute the brochures a bit, I have them all). Two other slots have no expressions of interest yet. Again, bear in mind that the travel must be in region, and Rob has clarified that the five slots can be allocated to taste, not just one per region (e.g. Stefi and I can both request support for within Europe).</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik has reminded us of the deadline, 15 November. Rafik can you please provide a pointer to that info, I can’t find it on the CROPP Confluence page and don’t recall an email to that effect?</div><div><br></div><div>The forms for NCUC to fill out are at <a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=41900652" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=41900652</a>. When the program was established we were told to identify contact points who’d be our coordinators; Pranesh and I volunteered, but it’s not really obvious what our specific roles would be in this context. I’d think that we could simply identify 5 trips we agree people should apply for and then each person fills out the forms themselves.</div><div><br></div><div>As for this cycle we have two expressions of interest for Europe and one for Asia, can we identify two other meetings before end June (preferably in other regions) people might want to apply for? We could certainly use outreach to potential members from everywhere, including NA, where there’s lots of Internet-oriented groups that have not yet chosen to allocate bandwidth to ICANN…</div><div><br></div><div>Finally, do recall that I’ve announced the CROPP thing several times on the members list and received no expressions of interest from regular members. We could try again, but first it’d be good to know if anyone here (who is presumably more engaged and outreach-oriented than normal) has anything they’d like to have considered.</div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br></div><div>*PS: Stefi, we might want to propose a topic for EuroDIG that would make this a particularly high-yield opportunity, like European CS engagement in GNSO/ICANN (could partner with moribund Euralo, might make it more palatable to Wolf and Sandra). I’d bet we could at least get a flash session.</div><div><div><div class="h5"><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Oct 25, 2014, at 12:42 AM, Milan, Stefania <<a href="mailto:Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu" target="_blank">Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Hi Robin, Rafik<br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I am happy to do some work on this.<br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I might also be interested in being considered for CROPP, but I am perfectly fine with more tech-minded people having it.<br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Stefania<br></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div name="divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;margin:0px"><div><div><div><div><font><font face="Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></font><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></font></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);word-wrap:break-word"><hr style="display:inline-block;width:1440.59375px"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt"><b>Da:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a><span> </span><<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>> per conto di Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>><br><b>Inviato:</b><span> </span>giovedì 23 ottobre 2014 21.47<br><b>A:</b><span> </span>Rafik Dammak<br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span>Exec. Comm<br><b>Oggetto:</b><span> </span>Re: [NCUC-EC] CROPP funding</font><div> </div></div><div>Ray Plazak told me in LA that he thinks we should CROPP funding for our members to attend the RIR meetings and participate in the policy discussions happening there. Apparently there are about 11 of them a year in the different regions and our more "techy" minded members in those regions could participate there. We should explore this possibility in the coming months.<div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Robin<br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 22, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Hi there,<div><br></div><div>the deadline for submitting proposal is 15th november.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">Rafik <br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-10-16 5:41 GMT+09:00 William Drake<span> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>From:<span> </span></b></span><span style="font-family:Helvetica">William Drake <<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>Subject:<span> </span></b></span><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>CROPP funding</b><br></span></div><div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>Date:<span> </span></b></span><span style="font-family:Helvetica">October 11, 2014 at 3:40:27 PM PDT<br></span></div><div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>To:<span> </span></b></span><span style="font-family:Helvetica">"Exec. Comm" <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br></span></div><br><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi<div><br></div><div>Rafik is sending a head’s up that he’d like to be considered for CROPP, we can deal with this after LA.</div><div><br></div><div>Bill<br><br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>From:<span> </span></b></span><span style="font-family:Helvetica">Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>Subject:<span> </span></b></span><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>Re: RightsCon Southeast Asia - Submit Your Proposals and Buy Your Tickets Now!</b><br></span></div><div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>Date:<span> </span></b></span><span style="font-family:Helvetica">October 11, 2014 at 3:05:32 PM PDT<br></span></div><div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>To:<span> </span></b></span><span style="font-family:Helvetica">William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>><br></span></div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Bill,<div><br></div><div>strangely, I am still receiving notifications that my message is rejected.</div><div>if you can forward it to the list and sure we can discuss later after LA meeting</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">Rafik</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-10-11 0:38 GMT+09:00 William Drake<span> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><div>On Oct 10, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">My email was rejected,</div><div><br></div></blockquote>Weird, you are subscribed and have written before. Ask Maryam to check I guess.</div><div><br></div><div>I’m fine with you doing Rightscon, but are you saying you want to start the process already? It’s a half year from now. Can we deal after the LA meeting? Send I guess a formal message saying this is what and why and after the EC says yes we will have to figure out how one applies. I suspect Pranesh is not going to make good on this commitment either so it will fall to me to figure it out. </div><div><br></div><div>BD<div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">Rafik<span> </span></div><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Rafik Dammak" <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Oct 9, 2014 8:57 PM<br>Subject: Fwd: RightsCon Southeast Asia - Submit Your Proposals and Buy Your Tickets Now!<br>To: "<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br>Cc:<span> </span><br><br type="attribution"><div dir="ltr">Hi Bill,<div><br></div><div>here the conference I was talking about and could be an opportunity to use CROPP program. ICANN staff Chris mondini was there in the last edition and ICANN was a topic in a session.</div><div>there is possibility to submit proposal for a session, I think Carlos and Pranesh have been involved in rightcons and can give advices. Also Anriette, Joana and other have participated there.</div><div>a session about civil society , ICANN and concerns there would make sense. talking about privacy risks with whois there would find its audience.</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From:<span> </span><b class="gmail_sendername">Brett Solomon, Access</b><span> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brett@accessnow.org" target="_blank">brett@accessnow.org</a>></span><br>Date: 2014-10-08 22:14 GMT+09:00<br>Subject: RightsCon Southeast Asia - Submit Your Proposals and Buy Your Tickets Now!<br>To:<span> </span><a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><br><br><br><div marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div style="padding:10px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);width:600px"><div style="font-size:12px;font-family:'Courier New';font-weight:normal;text-align:left"></div></div><div><img alt="" border="0" src="https://gallery.mailchimp.com/fc9104f573b1c10e0f6a61438/images/c66710db-eee2-4f9c-aa04-dc2a197025d6.png" style="margin:0px;padding:0px"></div><div style="padding:10px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);width:600px"><div style="text-align:left;font-size:14px;font-family:'Courier New';line-height:21px;font-weight:normal"></div></div><div style="padding:10px;border-top-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-top-color:rgb(153,153,153);width:600px"><div style="font-size:12px;font-family:'Courier New';line-height:12px;text-align:left;font-weight:normal"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal">Dear Friends,</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal"> </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:normal">We are delighted to announce that we have confirmed the dates and location for <a href="http://accessnow.us6.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=fc9104f573b1c10e0f6a61438&id=f8a1e4cc70&e=6452494e37" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);text-decoration:underline;font-weight:normal" target="_blank"><strong>RightsCon Southeast Asia</strong></a>! 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