<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Hi Peter<div><br><div><div>On Dec 9, 2013, at 8:58 AM, PeterGreen <<a href="mailto:seekcommunications@hotmail.com">seekcommunications@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 微软雅黑; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>As you may have noticed, we have got a voter problem now.</div><div><br></div><div>Recall that, in preparation of the conduct of the 2013 NCUC Election, we made a voter list by cross-checking with NCUC member database from the active NCSG members list which was made for the NCSC election. </div><div><br></div><div>Now some newly joined members (perhaps including those who were listed as inative members in the NCSG member list but who now want to vote) are not receiving their ballots for the election.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Newly joined members don’t get to vote. It’s the longstanding practice that you have to be in for 30 days, helps avoid packing to affect an outcome. Tapani pointed out that it’s not specified in the bylaws, something else to fix I suppose.</div><div><br></div><div>Are you aware of concrete cases of individuals who’ve just joined who’ve asked for ballots? If so I could shoot them a note to explain.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 微软雅黑; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>We need to send ballots to those members if we want to cover them.</div><div><br></div><div>I propose that we make an addendum, that is, we send ballots to all NCUC members, then our voter list can cover all those who want to vote. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>ICANN would not do this<br><blockquote type="cite"><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 微软雅黑; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>We will have a voter problem because under current circumstances, the members who did not reply to us before the NCSG election (despite any reasons) were already listed as INACTIVE, so after we did a cross-check, we would preclude those numbers who<i>want to vote now</i>. </div><div><br></div><div>Also I am not sure whether our voter list include the newly-joined members now, because they are not receving the ballots.</div><div><br></div><div>If we could reslove the problem, we resend a voter list to Glen.</div><div><br></div><div>For your consideration, thanks.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Thanks for thinking about this——we do have some long-standing ambiguities I guess.</div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div><br></div><div>Bill<br><blockquote type="cite"><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 微软雅黑; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Best Regards</div><div>Peter</div><div><br></div><div>If</div><div><br><div>> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 14:22:23 +0200<br>> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ncuc@tapani.tarvainen.info">ncuc@tapani.tarvainen.info</a><br>> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>> CC:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG">robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG</a><br>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-EC] Conduct of the NCUC Election<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Dear all (but especially Milton and Rafik!),<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I got active ncsg members addresses from Robin and did a quick<br>> cross-check with NCUC member database, and now we have there<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> 189 members who replied to either Robin now or to us in the spring<br>> 10 members admitted after the spring poll but didn't reply to Robin<br>> 106 members who didn't reply to either<br>> 1 verified error (person listed as both individual and organization,<br>> when should've been only the former)<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> That's based on email check only, so some of the "didn't reply"s<br>> are likely to just have different emails in ncsg and ncuc lists.<br>> Ditto for several ncuc members who don't appear in ncsg list at all<br>> (e.g., ncsg's "<a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>" may have<br>> something to do with ncuc's "<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>").<br>> I intend to do some more checking to catch obvious errors and<br>> then send a message to those left in the 3rd category.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> A bit worrying is that there're several individual NCSG members<br>> who do not appear in NCUC member database at all, namely<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Thierry Sanzhie Bokally<br>> Edamwen Anthony<br>> Patricia Senghor<br>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> These have apparently been recently admitted to NCSG, and being<br>> individuals they should presumably join NCUC. New organizational<br>> members have also been admitted to NCSG, I don't know if they<br>> all joined NPOC or what.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> In our Durban meeting we decided that<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> "3a. It was agreed that NCUC delegates to the NCSG EC (Milton Mueller<br>> and Rafik Dammak) will notify the NCUC chair and EC without delay<br>> whenever the NCSG EC approves new members who've indicated their<br>> desire to join NCUC, and once admitted to the NCUC, member database<br>> maintainers (Wilson Abigaba and Tapani Tarvainen) will add them to the<br>> database and mailing list."<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I have not seen any such notification from Milton or Rafik.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I could have missed them in the list or they could've been sent to<br>> Bill only, or perhaps none of the new NCSG members wanted to join NCUC<br>> (if it's possible to be an individual NCSG member without belonging to<br>> either constituency), but I would like to get some confirmation before<br>> fixing the voter roster.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> --<br>> Tapani Tarvainen<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Ncuc-ec mailing list<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org">Ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec">http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>