<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi<div><br></div><div>I have heard no opposition to the proposal to submit the names of Rafik (remote moderator) and Avri (panelist) for IGF Bali workshop support, so I will notify ICANN accordingly. BTW two nights ago here in Pisa Fadi took and call and returned to the dinner table to announce that agreement had been reached and the Indonesians will be signing the host country agreement. While we've heard that before, it does seem that the meeting is on.</div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<div>Sorry Milton, it occurs to me post hoc my formulation below
may sound prejudicial between the two of you in terms of
participation. Not my intention, has been a long day and too
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<div>I guess the flip side alternative would be that you serve as
a remote panelist and Joy (who will be there, and opposes
closeds) replaces Kathy as a panelist. Although this then
doesn't solve our problem of having loose travel funding for a
must be there member (or Kathy's interest in speaking).</div>
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<div>On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:21 PM, William Drake <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>Of course, you don't actually have to come three days
early for all the pre-events. You can do GigaNet
(you're the chair, you should be there no?) and IGF in 5
days, less if you don't want to stay for the whole deal
(I think this workshop will be Wednesday). And if the
route's too long (34 sounds high?), use frequent flyer
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<div>The origin of this panel was in part the debate
between you and Kathy on closed generics long ago. I
thought that nicely demonstrated the way the issue
divides across all kinds of lines, and the diversity of
views within NCUC. So the expectation was that you two
sort of anchored the discussion, being the polar ends.
It really doesn't work to have a workshop with two
speakers giving remote presentations, especially the two
who were to represent NCUC and help lead the discussion.
So I'd have to scurry and replace one of you on the
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<div>My preference is of course for you to reconsider, but
if you can't, the logical thing for me to do is to reach
out to Avri and see if she is still digging for Bali
funding. She takes a line parallel to yours so she'd be
a perfect replacement, and she's a member. I'll see her
in Pisa on Wednesday and could work out the details.</div>
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<div>Please let me know if your decision's final.</div>
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<div>Thanks</div>
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<div>On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Milton L Mueller <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>>
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Good thing I didn't purchase a ticket on my own
two weeks ago: I came within a hairsbreadth of
doing so<br>
The main problem however is time. It takes 34
hours to get to Bali and now the event is a week
with all the pre-events. I just can't put that
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L Mueller; Kleiman, Kathy<br>
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<div>Hi Milton and Kathy
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<div>As I said the other day on
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<div>On Aug 28, 2013, at 6:33 PM,
William Drake <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>42-NCUC FY14 Regular Budget
Request (IGF Bali supplemental)
Regular Track</b><br>
$8,000 Approved, staff comment is
"This request was granted as part of
the Fast Track process and has been
revised to reflect a two additional
NCUC travel slots for the IGF
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Hoggarth the other day for
clarification on the deal here.
ICANN considers that the budget
allocation a) should be used to
support the travel of people who
really have to be in Bali for
NCUC's closed generics workshop;
and b) should be viewed as two
integral "slots", meaning that
the funds can't be divided up as
we sometimes do for ICANN
meetings, with one person
getting the travel support and
another getting the hotel, etc.
He is seeking clarification as
to whether a per diem is also
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volunteered to speak in the
workshop and are thus included
in the approved IGF submission<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_accomplish_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=253" target="_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_accomplish_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=253</a>,
a) means that unless you don't
want or need it, the funding
goes to you. If by some chance
you don't need it to come or
prefer to stay home and speak
via remote participation, the
NCUC EC would then propose to
staff that it be reallocated to
someone else on the assumption
they'd help with outreach
and any workshop logistics etc.</div>
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think, would you like to come to
Bali (assuming the Indonesian
government finally signs the
host country agreement and the
event is on), in which case I
will notify Rob and Constituency
Travel? Please let me know
ASAP.</div>
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