<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi MM<div><br></div><div>Of course, you don't actually have to come three days early for all the pre-events. You can do GigaNet (you're the chair, you should be there no?) and IGF in 5 days, less if you don't want to stay for the whole deal (I think this workshop will be Wednesday). And if the route's too long (34 sounds high?), use frequent flyer miles to upgrade…?</div><div><br></div><div>The origin of this panel was in part the debate between you and Kathy on closed generics long ago. I thought that nicely demonstrated the way the issue divides across all kinds of lines, and the diversity of views within NCUC. So the expectation was that you two sort of anchored the discussion, being the polar ends. It really doesn't work to have a workshop with two speakers giving remote presentations, especially the two who were to represent NCUC and help lead the discussion. So I'd have to scurry and replace one of you on the panel. </div><div><br></div><div>My preference is of course for you to reconsider, but if you can't, the logical thing for me to do is to reach out to Avri and see if she is still digging for Bali funding. She takes a line parallel to yours so she'd be a perfect replacement, and she's a member. I'll see her in Pisa on Wednesday and could work out the details.</div><div><br></div><div>Please let me know if your decision's final.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div ocsi="0" fpstyle="1" style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; "><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt; ">Damn. Great deal, but I have decided not to go to Bali.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Good thing I didn't purchase a ticket on my own two weeks ago: I came within a hairsbreadth of doing so<br>The main problem however is time. It takes 34 hours to get to Bali and now the event is a week with all the pre-events. I just can't put that big a hole into my sabbatical in DC<br><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 16px; "><hr tabindex="-1"><div id="divRpF663994" style="direction: ltr; "><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>William Drake [<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:49 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Milton L Mueller; Kleiman, Kathy<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>EC NCUC<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NCUC @ IGF Bali Funding<br></font><br></div><div></div><div>Hi Milton and Kathy<div><br></div><div>As I said the other day on ncuc-discuss,</div><div><br><div><div>On Aug 28, 2013, at 6:33 PM, William Drake <<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; ">FY14-B05-04 <br><b>42-NCUC FY14 Regular Budget Request (IGF Bali supplemental) Regular Track</b><br>$8,000 Approved, staff comment is "This request was granted as part of the Fast Track process and has been revised to reflect a two additional NCUC travel slots for the IGF meeting."</div><div style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span style="font-style: italic; ">=></span><span style="font-style: italic; "> We have inquired whether the funds could also be used more flexibly if need be, e.g </span>split up differently and allocated in a manner to bring more people with partial support, TBD.</div></blockquote></div><br><div><div style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; "><div style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; "><div style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; "><div style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; ">I spoke with Rob Hoggarth the other day for clarification on the deal here. ICANN considers that the budget allocation a) should be used to support the travel of people who really have to be in Bali for NCUC's closed generics workshop; and b) should be viewed as two integral "slots", meaning that the funds can't be divided up as we sometimes do for ICANN meetings, with one person getting the travel support and another getting the hotel, etc. He is seeking clarification as to whether a per diem is also included.</div><div style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; ">As you two volunteered to speak in the workshop and are thus included in the approved IGF submission<a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_accomplish_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=253" target="_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_accomplish_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=253</a>, a) means that unless you don't want or need it, the funding goes to you. If by some chance you don't need it to come or prefer to stay home and speak via remote participation, the NCUC EC would then propose to staff that it be reallocated to someone else on the assumption they'd help with outreach and any workshop logistics etc.</div><div style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; ">So, what do you think, would you like to come to Bali (assuming the Indonesian government finally signs the host country agreement and the event is on), in which case I will notify Rob and Constituency Travel? Please let me know ASAP.</div><div style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; ">Thanks,</div><div style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; ">Bill</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Palatino; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">**********************************************************<br>William J. Drake<br>International Fellow & Lecturer<br> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br> University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, <br> ICANN, <a href="http://www.ncuc.org">www.ncuc.org</a><br><a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a> (w), <a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a> (h),<br> <a href="http://www.williamdrake.org">www.williamdrake.org</a><br>***********************************************************</div></div></div></div>
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