Hi Bill,<div><br></div><div>I'm sure I speak for everyone in our concern for your health, our hope for your prompt recovery and our belief that if anyone ever deserved a vacation from a 'part time voluntary' position it is you. Please be healthy and enjoy your trip home.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div><b>1. Buenos Aires Travel</b></div><div>
<br></div><div>I had dinner with Glen the other night and she's fully aware that the requests to identify covered travelers are becoming progressively more unrealistic. If we can get her something in the next week that should be fine. Per previous I appreciate the magnanimous offers to step back in favor of someone else, but would also note that we have two or three orgs represented on the EC that generally pay for their people to attend. It would be good to have confirmation yes or no of this from the relevant folks. If it is correct, then all we need to do to get the full EC there is cover one person out of NCUC funds, presumably the cheapest ticket. I'd guess that'd be Tapani or Ed. Could you guys please price. I favor paying per diem to NCUC's covered traveler as per Durban, there's no reason accepting this arrangement should disadvantage someone.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree with everything Bill has written here.</div><div><br></div><div>The bottom line: If our members get a workable, up to date, ICANN and State of California compliant Bylaws ( there are issues there with the Public Benefit Corporation statutes that ICANN is well aware of...for example, all together please, Bylaw revision, not Charter revision) out of this EC then the cost of getting a few of us to Buenos Aires is well worth it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The Bylaw revision needs to be an EC proposal. The other way of doing it not only is unnecessary but our current Bylaws are inconsistent in terms of the number of votes needed to get a revision proposal on the ballot. We all need to be involved in getting a consensus on the revision we'll as an EC be proposing on CD. I'd suggest, if possible, we all need to be in Buenos Aires to properly do this.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div>Once discussions are actually going to get going, I believe a number of veteran members who care about NCUC and have been involved in previous efforts will want to get engaged here. We also will need to take full stock of the various versions that people have played with previously; nobody will feel good about their work being simply set aside by new folks. </div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>One thing we should probably do in August is try to bring as many of the outputs of these previous efforts together in one place to see what has been attempted. I believe Avri has worked on this before, you as well, Bill...who else should we be in touch with in this regard?</div>
<div><br></div><div>I just ordered a book from amazon on writing bylaws for nonprofits...whatever we're going to try to do has likely been attempted somewhere, some time. No sense reinventing the wheel if we don't have to. I'd suggest we need to look at everything out there.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div> So some sensitivity in managing this process will be called for. In addition, we will need to bring into the discussion either Rob (who's got the institutional memory and was involved in the previous reworking) or Mary from staff to make sure that whatever we do fits with the NCSG Charter, the GNSO Operating Procedures, the ICANN Bylaws, etc.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps a brief conversation at the outset with someone from legal might be valuable - or should we leave this to Mary or Rob? I definitely do not want to step on anyone's toes, but I, as all of you, am aware that legal is leading an effort for all Constituencies and SG's to have ICANN compliant Bylaws, an apparently newly defined order of things.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div>Here's my suggestion: Ed and Tapani, since you're particularly eager, how about being the lead carnival barkers and get people into the tent in August? Some messages to ncuc-discuss, and direct appeals to key vets, to join the listserv (you don't have to use the word 'team' if you don't want) and get organized during August?</div>
<div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Done, with Tapani's acquiescence.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div></div><div>Then, in September - October the group decides how it wants to proceed and online collaboration commences in earnest (IGF will cause asynchronous delays in some corners), resulting hopefully in a draft that people are like 90% ok with by BA.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I guess with the toolkit comes some sort of communications possibilities, if needed, so everyone can get involved? Skype / Google Hangout seem to be less than ideal when groups grow past a half dozen or so volunteers.</div>
<div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div>=> I can ask Glen to secure a room for us for Friday 15 November in BA to do an intensive last push F2F negotiation to pull it together. I can also ask her, and Xavier, whether any funds can be made available to cover some hotels so we can be there, but this may be difficult. In which case, and returning to Milton's $5k, my proposal would be that NCUC makes available $2-3k as needed to cover the extra night of hotel so we can get this done.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Great idea. Needed. Well worth the money. Fully support.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div>Assuming good will all around, we could then have something to be vetted for an hour on CD, and then put to a vote along with the elected NCUC positions the weeks of Nov. 25 − 8 December…not too far off from our schedule last time.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Considering what we inherited...I distinctly recall e-mailing Bill early on wondering which of the half dozen or so Bylaws / Charters were governing and discovering no one really knew. :) Getting a new set of Bylaws done and passed would be a remarkable accomplishment. I know there are those who wish us well but don't think we can get it done this quickly. Let's get some help and show everyone we really are actually good enough, and committed enough, do it!</div>
<div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div></div><div><b>3. Programmatic</b></div><div><br></div>
<div>The response to the closed generic workshop and to us doing this sort of thing was so positive that I was severely tempted to take another whack at the piņata, taking advantage of Joy's last stand as a Councilor, and do a workshop on human rights & ICANN, what's it really mean, maybe based off a five page discussion paper. I've also talked with Olga Cavalli about doing something together, whether within the program or off campus at a university. But the more I think about it, the more I wonder if it'd be best to hold off on this so we can focus on getting the bylaws done. Don't want to dilute people's energies too much. Any bandwidth left over after bylaws can simply be applied to the GNSO issues de jour.</div>
<div><br></div><div>That said, if some folks step forward and say they are really prepared to devote the needed bandwidth, we can reconsider.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Boy, those proposals are incredibly tempting. As Anriette pointed out in Durban, ICANN is establishing hubs in countries without seemingly considering human rights at all. We had Steve Crocker in Los Angeles tell us the NCSG includes people with expertise in many areas, human rights being one, that aren't really part of ICANN's function. I'd love to read the proposed 5 page paper and, if well done, get it distributed throughout the meeting. My area is more humanitarian law but anything that can get the focus over to the "do gooder" side of the equation would be wonderful.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Olga Cavalli is one of my favourite people in the ICANN world. She's a remarkable woman, has a great family, can disagree without being disagreeable...the whole package. I would love to work with her. Wolfgang was proposing doing something on a campus in BA back in LA. There probably won't be a better place to do something like this...</div>
<div><br></div><div>If we're looking for a topic similar to open / closed generics...the whole question of the role of geographical indicators comes to mind. As a Constituency we're split. In addition, Olga was very effective in pursuing her objective of preventing Patagonia from getting a new gTld, while Hector, a Buenos Aires based attorney who is a member of the IPC, was quite vocal in opposing protection for the Patagonia's and Amazon's of the world. He's also a pretty good guy, as far as IP lawyers go. :) If we could persuade both of them to agree to participate (GAC and IPC at a NCUC forum)..it would be good. But...</div>
<div><br></div><div>I sense the Bylaw revision is going to be an all time consuming affair. From the Friday sessions, to setting up slides, getting our CD presentation down, doing the CD and then selling the thing - we have a tough voting threshold to meet - doing more might be pushing it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>That said, if it is decided to go forward with some programming I would like to be involved in trying to make it happen. A lot of appealing possibilities...</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div>There is also the open question of whether having talked about it with the two vice chairs in Durban, we want to try to organize a full meeting with the GAC in BA. I would only want to do this if we really really were organized with an agenda of questions to pursue and a strong NCUC contingent on the ground. Otherwise it could wait.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Another great idea. Again, the question of human resources comes into play.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b>4. Toward Singapore</b></div><div><br></div><div>One other reason to keep our power dry, stick to the bylaws job, etc, is the next cycle. As you know I have submitted a number of budget and GNSO Tool Kit requests, including for a) support for a Thursday new EC retreat and b) a Friday policy conference in Singapore. (I'd originally wanted to do London, but there's no point trying to compete with ALAC's Atlas II conference, especially since many of us are At Large as well).</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Do we have any word, Bill, on approval of your requests. The IPC is in an uproar over getting their secretariat support proposal declined...how did we do?</div><div><br>
</div><div>I hope NCUC will still try to do something in London to reach out the CS there. Given the number of CS groups headquartered in the UK, it would be a shame not to take advantage of the Meeting locale. </div><div>
<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Ok, I'm going to go lay down in a quivering lump. Thoughts, please…</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I hope you are feeling better Bill.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Ed </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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