[NCUC-EC] [Ext] Re: Possible collaboration - Internet fragmentation briefing series
Pedro de Perdigão Lana
pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com
Thu Jan 11 11:48:53 CET 2024
I’m available for that - would you like us to reach possible speakers and
see their interest and knowledge in talking about this topic or for now
should it be just us?
Cordially,
*Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
Advogado - OAB/PR 90.600 <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/>, Pesquisador (
GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>)
Doutorando em Direito (UFPR), Mestre em Direito Empresarial (UCoimbra),
Membro da Coordenação - CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC BR
<https://isoc.org.br/> e IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
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Em qui., 11 de jan. de 2024 às 06:58, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> escreveu:
> Ben and all, would it be possible for us to jump on a quick call these
> upcoming days about the session?
>
> Just so we can discuss possible approaches and so on. Because I trust that
> a forum divided between the two topics would be somehow confusing, but one
> thing that can be done would be to have a speaker approaching the topic of
> Internet Fragmentation w/ a Human Rights lenses and further reinforcing
> that its a relevant discussion - especially from the perspective of
> avoiding the fragmentation of IG spaces - as we need all stakeholders at
> the same table and also being invited to promote some level of coordination
> between instances and topics.
>
> But happy to organise a quick call since it would be important to hear and
> get on a brainstorming session on this topic.
>
> kind regards,
> Bruna
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 7:03 AM Benjamin Akinmoyeje <benakin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Bruna,
>> My day was busy, and there is some clarity at this point. The NCUC is
>> ready and flexible to merge our topic with Global Partners Digital for a
>> rich NCUC Issue Forum.
>> There are multiple discussion channels in the planning of the NCUC Issue
>> forum.
>> We would like to have an active leading role in the session. We may have
>> a couple of Zoom meetings to synergize appropriately.
>>
>> I am attaching the early draft of NCUC. Issue topic forum and added to
>> the list are the leading collaborators Ephraim and Ajith (PIR).
>>
>> PIR has been a regular supporter of the NCUC issue forum.
>>
>> We should make good progress in this direction.
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/12OX-BG-XEdAM5yZYYgin28SXCy8hFNIlRp-TjZ5FrgE/edit
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Benjamin
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 3:12 AM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the reply, Ben.
>>>
>>> I understand NCUC has some level of independence for setting up the
>>> topics around the Issues Forum. At the opportunity I must also take some
>>> time to explain why Julf and I thought it would be a good idea:
>>>
>>> Internet Fragmentation, as you might know, has been a very active topic
>>> in the past couple of years. Especially since the UNSG decided to mention
>>> it as one of the main discussions to be developed under the GDC framework.
>>>
>>> Picking up on that, spaces like ICANN and the IGF decided to dive
>>> themselves and their communities further into the topic as a
>>> diagnose-making exercise. And this resulted in the plenary session ICANN
>>> hosted back in Malaysia, as well as a lot of debates within the IGF spaces
>>> too. And in most of such conversations the main conclusion was that talking
>>> about fragmentation could be something that reminds the broader IG
>>> community about the relevance of fostering coordination between not only
>>> stakeholders but also technical organisations such as ICANN, ISOC, the IETF
>>> and so on. All of this became even more relevant when - more recently - the
>>> Global Digital Compact failed to acknowledge the technical community as one
>>> stakeholder and with that ignoring a lot of the WSIS and Tunis Agenda
>>> advancements.
>>>
>>> Our main goal with such a proposal for NCUC was for your issues forum to
>>> discuss a topic that’s extremely pressing and has been highlighted as both
>>> ICANN Board and CEOs priorities in the past months.
>>>
>>> I’d say that I respect your decision but I happen to think this refusal
>>> is a bit sad as the conversation had potential and could even serve as a
>>> bridge to attract new members to our groups.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>
>>> Global Campaigns Manager | Digital Action <http://digitalaction.co>
>>>
>>> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander
>>> von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>>>
>>> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>>> bruna.martinsantos
>>> Email: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Benjamin Akinmoyeje <benakin at gmail.com> schrieb am Mo. 8. Jan. 2024 um
>>> 20:12:
>>>
>>>> Dear Bruna,
>>>> Good day to you, and Happy New Year.
>>>> I had proposed 30 mins because we only had 75 mins and as it appears.
>>>> The slot we got is also a shortfall from what your session requested,
>>>>
>>>> I believe the NCUC Issue forum can't be of use to the group as I had
>>>> mentioned to Julf earlier.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Benjamin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 10:49 AM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Heya, Julf and Ben,
>>>>>
>>>>> Good to hear that NCUC is willing to accommodate this discussion, but
>>>>> in order to move forward we would need to know how much time would NCUC be
>>>>> willing to allocate to us. And since its not a simple discussion, I'd say
>>>>> that 30 min or something around that won't really cut it as the session's
>>>>> goal was to present the issue and have a proper discussion w/ community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, it's a NCSG and Global partners Digital initiative, as part of a
>>>>> joint capacity building effort we would like to organize with our
>>>>> community. You know pretty well how meeting's requests go around ICANN and
>>>>> that its not really possible for "their team to get their session" since
>>>>> requests for meetings and rooms need to come from community groups.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the hopes of helping, I have crafted this session description to
>>>>> share with you. Apologies for not sharing it on friday, the deadline was a
>>>>> bit short without any previous warning. Here's the link:
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10n0yAwRF4j9n4IuaVOuAkofFEsVyG-aiI8mWLnYt-bs/edit
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Bruna
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:21 PM Benjamin Akinmoyeje <benakin at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Julf,
>>>>>> Thank you for your email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My response was just to share that NCUC was willing to
>>>>>> accommodate the Global Partners within our routine Issue Forum, however, if
>>>>>> that is not possible. It may be a good idea for the team to get their
>>>>>> session.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> Benjamin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 4:42 PM Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Benjamin,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As originally planned, the plenary session for ICANN79 was supposed
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be 1h30. Not sure how much shorter it can be made.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 05/01/2024 11:21, Benjamin Akinmoyeje wrote:
>>>>>>> > Dear Julf and Bruna,
>>>>>>> > Happy New Year, and I hope you enjoyed your holidays.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > We plan to discuss the session on Monday in our EC meeting, as
>>>>>>> stated by
>>>>>>> > Pedro.
>>>>>>> > However, we need some quick inputs.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > We have 75 minutes reserved for the NCUC Issue Forum; how long
>>>>>>> would the
>>>>>>> > Internet Fragmentation briefing take?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Please provide the time and succinct description for us to see how
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> > can merge the session. Andrea requires that we finalize the
>>>>>>> description
>>>>>>> > for the session today.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Kind regards,
>>>>>>> > Benjamin
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 7:29 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>>>>>> > <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Hey all, yes exactly!
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > We will still organize one or two webinars prior to ICANN79
>>>>>>> and then
>>>>>>> > had a plan for a plenary session that wasn’t much attractive
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> > eyes of other chairs. Our proposal, therefore, would be to
>>>>>>> transform
>>>>>>> > the plenary into the issues forum !
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Best,
>>>>>>> > Bruna
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > */Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>>>>>> > /*
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Global Campaigns Manager | Digital Action <
>>>>>>> http://digitalaction.co>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) |
>>>>>>> > Alexander von Humboldt Foundation <
>>>>>>> https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <
>>>>>>> https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>>>>>>> > Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <
>>>>>>> https://igcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> //
>>>>>>> Skype:
>>>>>>> > bruna.martinsantos
>>>>>>> > Email: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>
>>>>>>> schrieb am
>>>>>>> > Mi. 20. Dez. 2023 um 17:36:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > As far as I know (but Bruna can clarify and correct me if
>>>>>>> I am
>>>>>>> > wrong),
>>>>>>> > nothing has been nailed down yet, but the preliminary plan
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> > to do
>>>>>>> > part 1 as a webinar before ICANN79, and then 2 at ICANN79.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Julf
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On 20/12/2023 11:24, Pedro de Perdigão Lana wrote:
>>>>>>> > > Hi,
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > I have a question here: Is the proposal about the
>>>>>>> Plenary
>>>>>>> > Session
>>>>>>> > > (Output 2) being modified to our Issues Forum, or they
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> > doing Output
>>>>>>> > > 1 with us and, also during ICANN 79, another session on
>>>>>>> Internet
>>>>>>> > > Fragmentation?
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > Cordially,
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>>>>>>> > > Lawyer <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/
>>>>>>> > <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/>>, GEDAI/UFPR
>>>>>>> > > <https://www.gedai.com.br/ <https://www.gedai.com.br/>>
>>>>>>> > Researcher
>>>>>>> > > PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>>>>>>> > > Board Member @ CC Brasil <
>>>>>>> https://br.creativecommons.net/
>>>>>>> > <https://br.creativecommons.net/>>, ISOC BR
>>>>>>> > > <https://isoc.org.br/ <https://isoc.org.br/>> and IODA
>>>>>>> > <https://ioda.org.br/ <https://ioda.org.br/>>
>>>>>>> > > This message is restricted to the sender and
>>>>>>> recipient(s). If
>>>>>>> > received
>>>>>>> > > by mistake, please reply informing it.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > Em qua., 20 de dez. de 2023 às 11:57, Johan Helsingius
>>>>>>> > <julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>
>>>>>>> > > <mailto:julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>>
>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>>> > > Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: Possible
>>>>>>> collaboration -
>>>>>>> > Internet
>>>>>>> > > fragmentation
>>>>>>> > > briefing series
>>>>>>> > > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:22:38 +0000
>>>>>>> > > From: Michaela Nakayama Shapiro
>>>>>>> > <michaela at gp-digital.org <mailto:michaela at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>> > > <mailto:michaela at gp-digital.org
>>>>>>> > <mailto:michaela at gp-digital.org>>>
>>>>>>> > > To: Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>>>>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>>>>>> > <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > > <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>>>>>> > <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>> > > CC: Daniela Schnidrig <daniela at gp-digital.org
>>>>>>> > <mailto:daniela at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>> > > <mailto:daniela at gp-digital.org
>>>>>>> > <mailto:daniela at gp-digital.org>>>, Sheetal Kumar
>>>>>>> > > <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:
>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>> > <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>>>>> > <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>>, Keerti
>>>>>>> > > Rajagopalan <keerti at gp-digital.org
>>>>>>> > <mailto:keerti at gp-digital.org> <mailto:
>>>>>>> keerti at gp-digital.org
>>>>>>> > <mailto:keerti at gp-digital.org>>>,
>>>>>>> > > Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com <mailto:
>>>>>>> julf at julf.com>
>>>>>>> > <mailto:julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>>, Andrea
>>>>>>> Glandon
>>>>>>> > > <andrea.glandon at icann.org
>>>>>>> > <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>>>>>>> > <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org
>>>>>>> > <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>>, Adam
>>>>>>> > > Peake <adam.peake at icann.org <mailto:
>>>>>>> adam.peake at icann.org>
>>>>>>> > <mailto:adam.peake at icann.org <mailto:adam.peake at icann.org
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > Hi Bruna,
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > As discussed on our recent call, we have put
>>>>>>> together a
>>>>>>> > more detailed
>>>>>>> > > version of the concept note for the briefing series
>>>>>>> > (accessible here
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > <
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/18M7cjAiGBhOHOEDR_KZzFE5Gr1XA4meRUBUxGo3oaug/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/18M7cjAiGBhOHOEDR_KZzFE5Gr1XA4meRUBUxGo3oaug/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/18M7cjAiGBhOHOEDR_KZzFE5Gr1XA4meRUBUxGo3oaug/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/18M7cjAiGBhOHOEDR_KZzFE5Gr1XA4meRUBUxGo3oaug/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> > > and attached). The concept note now includes
>>>>>>> additional
>>>>>>> > context on
>>>>>>> > > internet fragmentation as it relates to ICANN's
>>>>>>> mandate
>>>>>>> > on the basis of
>>>>>>> > > recent trends and the 2022 plenary on the topic.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > Based on our discussion and in light of the upcoming
>>>>>>> > production
>>>>>>> > > planning
>>>>>>> > > call, we have included a timeline for finalising the
>>>>>>> > concept note in a
>>>>>>> > > table with roles and responsibilities across our
>>>>>>> teams
>>>>>>> > (see p.6). We
>>>>>>> > > wanted to ask whether it would be possible for you
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> > the ICANN
>>>>>>> > > team to
>>>>>>> > > _review and share any feedback with us by EOW (1
>>>>>>> > December)?_ This would
>>>>>>> > > be to ensure we have enough time to integrate any
>>>>>>> > feedback and
>>>>>>> > > circulate
>>>>>>> > > an updated draft to you by early next week to be
>>>>>>> > finalised by 6
>>>>>>> > > December.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > We also wanted to check whether there have been any
>>>>>>> > updates on the
>>>>>>> > > deadlines for suggesting plenaries for San Juan?
>>>>>>> > Additionally, should
>>>>>>> > > you have a sense of whether other parts of the
>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>> > would be
>>>>>>> > > willing to support a plenary like this that would
>>>>>>> be very
>>>>>>> > helpful to
>>>>>>> > > know for finalising the concept note.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > Please let us know if you have any questions.
>>>>>>> Looking
>>>>>>> > forward to
>>>>>>> > > hearing
>>>>>>> > > from you soon!
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > Best,
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > Michaela
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > --
>>>>>>> > > *
>>>>>>> > > *
>>>>>>> > > *Michaela Nakayama Shapiro*
>>>>>>> > > Officer, Advocacy & Engagement | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>>>>> DIGITAL
>>>>>>> > > T: +44 (0)7742 758019 | Time zone: GMT+1 |
>>>>>>> gp-digital.org
>>>>>>> > <http://gp-digital.org>
>>>>>>> > > <http://gp-digital.org <http://gp-digital.org>>
>>>>>>> > > <http://gp-digital.org/ <http://gp-digital.org/>
>>>>>>> > <http://gp-digital.org/ <http://gp-digital.org/>>>
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > ---
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
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>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 at 11:35, Johan Helsingius
>>>>>>> > <julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>
>>>>>>> > > <mailto:julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>
>>>>>>> > > <mailto:julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>
>>>>>>> > <mailto:julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > On 21/11/2023 11:55, Daniela Schnidrig wrote:
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > * We agreed that Bruna and Julf would
>>>>>>> review
>>>>>>> > deadlines for
>>>>>>> > > suggesting
>>>>>>> > > > a plenary session for San Juan and
>>>>>>> circle
>>>>>>> > back this week to
>>>>>>> > > > ascertain whether it's feasible.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > On that point, it might still be possible. The
>>>>>>> > plenary session
>>>>>>> > > contents
>>>>>>> > > will be discussed at the production planning
>>>>>>> call
>>>>>>> > on December
>>>>>>> > > 6. For
>>>>>>> > > that we should have a well-prepared proposal.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > Julf
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>>>
>>>>> Global Campaigns Manager | Digital Action <http://digitalaction.co>
>>>>>
>>>>> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander
>>>>> von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>>>>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>>>>> bruna.martinsantos
>>>>> Email: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>
> --
>
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
> Global Campaigns Manager | Digital Action <http://digitalaction.co>
>
> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
> Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>
> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
>
> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
> bruna.martinsantos
> Email: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>
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