<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">The criticism you wrote in your message wasn't clear but the context of the message gave me a general gist. However, I think balancing our community's need for new volunteers and at the same targeting reward (in terms of Funded travel) to those who deliver "noticeable hard and productive work" is indeed very difficult for a purely volunteer community such as ours. I believe our current policies on travel hoped to achieve this balance but like you say, it isn't perfect. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I noticed that your dissatisfaction of the "how we meet" status quo is in the context of an organisational-wide, whole of ICANN "how we meet" status quo, which might pose its own challenges to this discussion in the sense that it is difficult to make groups that have access to private or employer or client funding to see this challenge in the same way the non-commercials see it. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In my opinion, we might have a better chance at reaching solutions if we look at it in 2 separate streams, an ICANN organisational level solution stream and a stakeholder/constituency solution stream. Optimisations at both levels separately when combined might achieve an outcome closer to what you're hoping for.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Warmly, <br>Tomslin</div><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 28 July 2024, 05:13 Pedro de Perdigão Lana, <<a href="mailto:pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com">pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Hi everyone,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think NCSG and NCUC, as the group probably most affected by what I'm going to write below, can contribute to a discussion of creating the appropriate stimuli for funding distribution within ICANN. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm not sure yet how exactly we can do that, or if this is a discussion that is really interesting to us and does not pose risks of affecting the non-commercial groups negatively, but there is a recurrent criticism (from within and outside) that, in the same meeting, we will find a few onsite funded travelers within ICANN that deliver some noticeable hard (and productive!) work, a lot of them from NCSG/NCUC/NPOC, while also seeing others expected to do the bare minimum (focusing more on a "good neighbor" policy). However, I have no doubts that this is a really tricky and complex conversation and I'm sure others have already thought of this and tried to do something about it. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">With this comment, I just want to make a counterpoint of not being so satisfied with the "How we meet" <i>status quo</i> and would like to see some debate or research going on how to optimize the allocation of resources (especially to those who are willing to really contribute and would never be able to participate without financial support from ICANN) - but, probably because of my inexperience and lack of knowledge of what has already been tried or changed during the years, I can't think (at least for now) of a concrete proposal on how to make this happen (that is not deeply at risk of potentially harmful, redundant or just repeating something that was already tried).</div><div><br></div><div>I hope that at least raising this discussion is helpful, and left a few comments on Tomslin's Google Docs a few days ago (:</div><div><br></div><div>Cordially,<br></div><div dir="auto"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><b>Pedro de Perdigão Lana</b><br></font></font></span><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.nic.br/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Lawyer</a>, </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.gedai.com.br/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">GEDAI/UFPR</a> Researcher</font></font></span></font></font></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2">PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)</font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"> </font></font></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2">Board Member @ </font></font></span><span style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.ncuc.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">NCUC (ICANN)</a>,</font><font size="1"><font size="2"> </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://isoc.org.br/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ISOC BR</a></font></font></span>, </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://br.creativecommons.net/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">CC Brasil</a></font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"> and <a href="https://ioda.org.br/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">IODA</a></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></div><div><font size="1"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif">This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). 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The discussion centered on the need to adjust the frequency of ICANN's public meetings or the number of sessions, the need to make Hybrid meetings more effective, etc. <br><br>The document has shared multiple options that could be considered. However, some of my concerns are:</div><div><br></div><div>1. NCUC can not afford to reduce the number of representatives at ICANN meetings because we are underrepresented in these meetings already;</div><div>2. Virtual meetings are not effective for our community, knowing that many are from regions struggling with Internet connections. Hence, it will reduce the participation of our members. - we saw this during the pandemic.</div><div>3. Finally, I am also concerned about the approach that the community will use to arrive at the option to be implemented; I hope the process of deciding would be a bottom-up approach.</div><div><br>My call to action for members is that everyone should share their opinions on this matter and help shape the final outcome.<br><br><br>Thank you,<br>Benjamin <br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 3:18 PM Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:Kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>Hi Benjamin,</p>
<p>Tx you for sharing this posting with NCUC. Can we ask what
changes below are of most concern (or least concern) to you as
someone who has been closely involved in planning our NCUC
meetings (thank you!) and cares deeply about NCUC participation?</p>
<p><i>I have the same question for all members of the NCUC Executive
Committee (last year and newly elected). </i>Could you be our
guides through the discussion of these rather significant
changes? What will most impact NCUC information, research,
comment writing, and participation? <br>
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<p>Best and tx,</p>
<p>Kathy<br>
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<div>On 7/11/2024 4:27 AM, Benjamin
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<div>Good day, I hope you are well. I like to bring this
important discussion to your attention.</div>
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<div>This is a community discussion about How We Meet and How
We Work . </div>
<div>I encourage you to read the email trail below and the
attached documents and share your recommendations or ideas on
the attached Google Doc.</div>
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<div>Kindly contribute your voice to this future shaping
discussion.</div>
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<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div>Benjamin </div>
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Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 12:58 AM<br>
Subject: Fwd: [gnso-chairs] Initiating the Community
Dialogue on "How We Meet": Initial Ideas & Meeting
Request<br>
To: <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu</a>><br>
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<div>Hi team,</div>
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<div>In our SOAC leadership meeting with Sally in Kigali,
she mentioned 2 areas where the community needs to have
a dialogue on; (1) "How We Meet" and (2) "How We Work".
Below and attached is a discussion paper from ICANN's
Policy & Advice Development staff team to facilitate
the discussion on dialogue #1 "How We Meet. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Things will move fast since we have to send our
feedback (if any) to <a href="mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">gnso-chairs@icann.org</a>
by 24 July 2024. As a result, I have added this topic as
an agenda item to our monthly policy meeting which is on
Monday 15 July at 11:30 UTC (See Andrea's email/reminder
for joining details and full agenda). Come with some
ideas please. I have also created this <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rQ3_P-xlb48qcy4iY4prOis4Y4O1O2a_geBfrYMuQ4Y/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Google Doc</a>
to solicit feedback from everyone, even if you can't
make the meeting.<br>
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<div>In the paper, you will notice a number of suggestions
such as:</div>
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<li>Evaluate the full cycle of in-person and hybrid
community meetings, including standalone SOAC
Leadership and Strategic Planning meetings, targeted
group meetings (such as the Contracted Parties
Summit, the At Large Summit, and the High-Level
Governmental Meeting) and similar, cost-intensive,
travel-dependent Meetings</li>
<li>Review the planning by ICANN Org and the community
for all in-person/hybrid meetings (including ICANN
Public Meetings) by adopting an annualized, regular
approach of planning for a full meeting cycle
(either by a calendar year or a fiscal year)</li>
<li>Review of the current allocation of Funded
Travelers to each ICANN Public Meeting</li>
<li>Reduce the number of sessions at ICANN Public
Meetings, which could result in a reduction in the
cost of travel (i.e., accommodation) and
venue-related costs (e.g., room and equipment
rentals, contractors)</li>
<li>Reduce or eliminate informational and training
sessions at ICANN Public Meetings</li>
<li>Reduce or eliminate ICANN-hosted or
ICANN-sponsored social and outreach events at, or
associated with, an ICANN Public Meeting</li>
<li>Move at least one (1) upcoming ICANN Public
Meeting to a Virtual Meeting</li>
<li>Review the current state of ICANN Public Meetings,
with a view toward updating the ten-year-old ICANN
Meetings Strategy (dating from 2014) to match
current and expected future needs and budget
constraints</li>
</ol>
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<div>Warmly,<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 7, 2024 11:58 PM<br>
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Initiating the Community Dialogue on "How
We Meet": Initial Ideas & Meeting
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear SOAC leaders,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">An action item from your
informal meeting with Sally in Kigali was
for the Policy team to facilitate a dialogue
with you about “How We Meet”, viz., how our
in-person and hybrid meetings can be
optimized to ensure that resources
(including financial, staff and community
time) continue to be allocated appropriately
to ensure the community can do its work
effectively and efficiently, while staying
within budgetary constraints. As a starting
point for this dialogue, we have drafted the
attached discussion paper with some initial
ideas for your community’s consideration and
to invite your suggestions for further
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<p class="MsoNormal">To capitalize on the
momentum of recent conversations and to
facilitate a constructive and substantive
dialogue, we’d like to suggest the following
cadence of meetings, structured around a few
foundational questions:
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<li style="margin-left:2.25pt">Late/end-July:
first call with SOAC Chairs and
Vice-Chairs to share feedback on agreed
strategic questions
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<li style="margin-left:2.25pt">Mid/late
August (following collation of ideas and
input): second call to discuss and agree
on concrete ideas for implementation or
further exploration</li>
<li style="margin-left:2.25pt">End-August/early
September (if agreed is needed): third
call to review agreed way forward,
including any next steps for additional
(longer term) ideas to be discussed
further </li>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The sort of strategic,
foundational questions we were thinking
might be helpful for focusing the dialogue
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<li style="margin-left:2.25pt">If you or
your group could change one thing about
how we meet that will facilitate
efficiency in how we deliver ICANN’s
mission while remaining sustainable into
the future, what would that be? </li>
<li style="margin-left:2.25pt">What other
key changes do we need to make to
continue to ensure we can meet these
goals?</li>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your
support and willingness to collaborate with
us in seeking to improve and optimize how we
meet. Assuming you are comfortable with the
proposed approach, I’ll make sure to come
back to you with some suggested dates for
the calls. Please let me know if your group
have any questions or would like any
additional information that can assist with
your internal discussions about this topic.
Thank you!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mary </p>
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