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    <p>Benjamin,  thanks for sharing this information with your
      insights, ideas and guidance!</p>
    <p>Best, Kathy<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/12/2024 9:29 AM, Benjamin
      Akinmoyeje wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Thank you, Kathy, for your question; here is an
        additional <b>personal</b> assessment and opinion on the
        issue,  in addition to Tomslin's summary in the email I
        forwarded.
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        <div>This email is a follow-up email to the document I forwarded
          earlier.<br>
          During the ICANN80 Kigali meeting, the chairs of SOACs met
          with the ICANN Interim CEO to discuss the way the ICANN
          community meets and works tagged "How We Meet" and "How We
          Work," especially in the face of the global economic crisis
          realities.<br>
          <br>
          The meeting produced multiple suggestions and recommendations,
          and ICANN staff captured them in the shared document attached
          (by the way, I was not in the meeting).<br>
          <br>
          The discussion summary was about how we can streamline or
          adjust our meeting logistics to fit sustainably to today's
          harsh economic situation without undermining ICANN's mission
          and effectiveness to its remit. The discussion centered on the
          need to adjust the frequency of ICANN's public meetings or the
          number of sessions, the need to make Hybrid meetings more
          effective, etc. <br>
          <br>
          The document has shared multiple options that could be
          considered. However, some of my concerns are:</div>
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        <div>1. NCUC can not afford to reduce the number of
          representatives at ICANN meetings because we are
          underrepresented in these meetings already;</div>
        <div>2.  Virtual meetings are not effective for our community,
          knowing that many are from regions struggling with
          Internet connections. Hence, it will reduce the participation
          of our members. - we saw this during the pandemic.</div>
        <div>3. Finally, I am also concerned about the approach that the
          community will use to arrive at the option to be implemented;
          I hope the process of deciding would be a bottom-up approach.</div>
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          My call to action for members is that everyone should share
          their opinions on this matter and help shape the final
          outcome.<br>
          <br>
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          Thank you,<br>
          Benjamin <br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at
          3:18 PM Kathy Kleiman <<a
            href="mailto:Kathy@kathykleiman.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>>
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            <p>Hi Benjamin,</p>
            <p>Tx you for sharing this posting with NCUC. Can we ask
              what changes below are of most concern (or least concern)
              to you as someone who has been closely involved in
              planning our NCUC meetings (thank you!) and cares deeply
              about NCUC participation?</p>
            <p><i>I have the same question for all members of the NCUC
                Executive Committee (last year and newly elected).  </i>Could
              you be our guides through the discussion of these rather
              significant changes?  What will most impact NCUC
              information, research, comment writing, and participation?
              <br>
            </p>
            <p>Best and tx,</p>
            <p>Kathy<br>
            </p>
            <div>On 7/11/2024 4:27 AM, Benjamin Akinmoyeje wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Dear NCUC members,
                <div>Good day, I hope you are well. I like to bring this
                  important discussion to your attention.</div>
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                <div>This is a community discussion about  How We Meet
                  and How We Work . </div>
                <div>I encourage you to read the email trail below and
                  the attached documents and share your recommendations
                  or ideas on the attached Google Doc.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Kindly contribute your voice to this future shaping
                  discussion.</div>
                <div><br>
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                <div>Kind regards,</div>
                <div>Benjamin </div>
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                      Forwarded message ---------<br>
                      From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Tomslin
                        Samme-Nlar</strong> <span dir="auto"><<a
                          href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
                      Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 12:58 AM<br>
                      Subject: Fwd: [gnso-chairs] Initiating the
                      Community Dialogue on "How We Meet": Initial Ideas
                      & Meeting Request<br>
                      To: <<a
                        href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu</a>><br>
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                      <div>Hi team,</div>
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                      <div>In our SOAC leadership meeting with Sally in
                        Kigali, she mentioned 2 areas where the
                        community needs to have a dialogue on; (1) "How
                        We Meet" and (2) "How We Work". Below and
                        attached is a discussion paper from ICANN's
                        Policy & Advice Development staff team to
                        facilitate the discussion on dialogue #1 "How We
                        Meet. </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Things will move fast since we have to send
                        our feedback (if any) to <a
                          href="mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gnso-chairs@icann.org</a>
                        by 24 July 2024. As a result, I have added this
                        topic as an agenda item to our monthly policy
                        meeting which is on Monday 15 July at 11:30 UTC
                        (See Andrea's email/reminder for joining details
                        and full agenda). Come with some ideas please. I
                        have also created this <a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rQ3_P-xlb48qcy4iY4prOis4Y4O1O2a_geBfrYMuQ4Y/edit?usp=sharing"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Google
                          Doc</a> to solicit feedback from everyone,
                        even if you can't make the meeting.<br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>In the paper, you will notice a number of
                        suggestions such as:</div>
                      <div>
                        <ol>
                          <li>Evaluate the full cycle of in-person and
                            hybrid community meetings, including
                            standalone SOAC Leadership and Strategic
                            Planning meetings, targeted group meetings
                            (such as the Contracted Parties Summit, the
                            At Large Summit, and the High-Level
                            Governmental Meeting) and similar,
                            cost-intensive, travel-dependent Meetings</li>
                          <li>Review the planning by ICANN Org and the
                            community for all in-person/hybrid meetings
                            (including ICANN Public Meetings) by
                            adopting an annualized, regular approach of
                            planning for a full meeting cycle (either by
                            a calendar year or a fiscal year)</li>
                          <li>Review of the current allocation of Funded
                            Travelers to each ICANN Public Meeting</li>
                          <li>Reduce the number of sessions at ICANN
                            Public Meetings, which could result in a
                            reduction in the cost of travel (i.e.,
                            accommodation) and venue-related costs
                            (e.g., room and equipment rentals,
                            contractors)</li>
                          <li>Reduce or eliminate informational and
                            training sessions at ICANN Public Meetings</li>
                          <li>Reduce or eliminate ICANN-hosted or
                            ICANN-sponsored social and outreach events
                            at, or associated with, an ICANN Public
                            Meeting</li>
                          <li>Move at least one (1) upcoming ICANN
                            Public Meeting to a Virtual Meeting</li>
                          <li>Review the current state of ICANN Public
                            Meetings, with a view toward updating the
                            ten-year-old ICANN Meetings Strategy (dating
                            from 2014) to match current and expected
                            future needs and budget constraints</li>
                        </ol>
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                                                <div>Talk to you all on
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                                                <div>Warmly,<br>
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                                                Tomslin
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
                                      Mary Wong via soac-chairs <<a
href="mailto:soac-chairs@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">soac-chairs@icann.org</a>>
                                      <br>
                                      <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 7, 2024
                                      11:58 PM<br>
                                      <b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:soac-chairs@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                      <b>Cc:</b> <a
href="mailto:team-leaders@icann.org" target="_blank"
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                                      <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL]
                                      [soac-chairs] Initiating the
                                      Community Dialogue on "How We
                                      Meet": Initial Ideas & Meeting
                                      Request</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Dear SOAC
                                    leaders,</p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">An action item
                                    from your informal meeting with
                                    Sally in Kigali was for the Policy
                                    team to facilitate a dialogue with
                                    you about “How We Meet”, viz., how
                                    our in-person and hybrid meetings
                                    can be optimized to ensure that
                                    resources (including financial,
                                    staff and community time) continue
                                    to be allocated appropriately to
                                    ensure the community can do its work
                                    effectively and efficiently, while
                                    staying within budgetary
                                    constraints. As a starting point for
                                    this dialogue, we have drafted the
                                    attached discussion paper with some
                                    initial ideas for your community’s
                                    consideration and to invite your
                                    suggestions for further discussion.
                                  </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">To capitalize on
                                    the momentum of recent conversations
                                    and to facilitate a constructive and
                                    substantive dialogue, we’d like to
                                    suggest the following cadence of
                                    meetings, structured around a few
                                    foundational questions: </p>
                                  <ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
                                    <li style="margin-left:2.25pt">Late/end-July:
                                      first call with SOAC Chairs and
                                      Vice-Chairs to share feedback on
                                      agreed strategic questions </li>
                                    <li style="margin-left:2.25pt">Mid/late
                                      August (following collation of
                                      ideas and input): second call to
                                      discuss and agree on concrete
                                      ideas for implementation or
                                      further exploration</li>
                                    <li style="margin-left:2.25pt">End-August/early
                                      September (if agreed is needed):
                                      third call to review agreed way
                                      forward, including any next steps
                                      for additional (longer term) ideas
                                      to be discussed further  </li>
                                  </ul>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">The sort of
                                    strategic, foundational questions we
                                    were thinking might be helpful for
                                    focusing the dialogue include:</p>
                                  <ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
                                    <ul style="margin-top:0in"
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                                      <li style="margin-left:2.25pt">If
                                        you or your group could change
                                        one thing about how we meet that
                                        will facilitate efficiency in
                                        how we deliver ICANN’s mission
                                        while remaining sustainable into
                                        the future, what would that be?
                                      </li>
                                      <li style="margin-left:2.25pt">What
                                        other key changes do we need to
                                        make to continue to ensure we
                                        can meet these goals?</li>
                                    </ul>
                                  </ul>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for
                                    your support and willingness to
                                    collaborate with us in seeking to
                                    improve and optimize how we meet.
                                    Assuming you are comfortable with
                                    the proposed approach, I’ll make
                                    sure to come back to you with some
                                    suggested dates for the calls.
                                    Please let me know if your group
                                    have any questions or would like any
                                    additional information that can
                                    assist with your internal
                                    discussions about this topic. Thank
                                    you!</p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers</p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Mary </p>
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