<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Hi all,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Pedro, I see your message only made it to the NCUC mailing list, however I believe it is very relevant to NCSG as well, so I have copied the NCSG list.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You hit the nail on the head, Pedro. You point out 3 things that I want to draw attention to and add some quick unstructured thoughts, with the hope that working on them will see a future where NCSG has a large pool of folks actively participating, not only during elections but all through the years.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1. Closing participation gap between longer-serving and newer members (lowering the entry barrier) - </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In my years here, I have seen various genuine efforts and attempts by both leadership and longer serving members to help lower that barrier (what you call "initial engagement curve"). In fact, as we speak, Kathy Kleiman (bless her) runs an informal mentorship program for anyone, but especially young ones interested in diving deep into policy work for NCSG in the areas she has expertise in, while also guiding to the best of her ability those interested in the areas where she has no expertise in. While many past formal mentorship/shadowing programs could not be sustained multi-year, they were certainly successful for the period they ran and to the few newcomers who participated and chose to follow up with significant personal effort to grow. It is easy to identify what challenges make such programs not to be sustained. Time is certainly one major one. In addition, ICANN now has the policy engagement program for new commercial which if well taken advantaged of, the barrier is also dropped.</div><div dir="auto">In terms of solutions, if (a) some smart people in here could come up with a very light-touch way to do the formal mentorship, that might be very helpful in addressing sustainability. (b) Newcomers who participate in the ICANN policy engagement program or any mentorship should take ownership of their own growth in participation within the SG/C. Take risks, ask questions, fail fast and learn.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2. Accountability - </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Like Julf mentioned, we've ideated alot about this in the last year. Simple performance metrics like attendance, contribution to discussions, topic leadership, membership updates, chairing, etc should be adopted in some form of a very light touch individual scorecard shared routinely that members can use to assess whether nominated candidates are good ones or whether they should be asked to step down.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">3. Reward/Compensation -</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Accept it or not, NCSG and her Cs are an under-to-no-funded civil society community. In my opinion, what this means is that newer members still developing trust and peer recognition find themselves working hard with no reward or compensation in sight for months, if not years. This is also a major cause to our small pool of working volunteers. Unfortunately, this situation also manifests itself often during appointments and elections where we see folks trying to take short-cuts into elected or appointed positions without being active all year round contributing to any policy work nor even being recognised by their peers in NCSG. They attempt to use some other means other than proof-of-work to get elected/appointed in order to enjoy the compensation given by ICANN.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">NCSG members have to accept these realities and work with it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Warmly, <br>Tomslin</div><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 15 May 2024, 06:47 Pedro de Perdigão Lana, <<a href="mailto:pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>My two cents here. </div><div><br></div><div>In the (very few) years that I have been part of this community, it has seemed to me that there is a great difficulty in overcoming the initial engagement curve. It appears that just a few people are interested in engaging in depth if there is no immediate return for their time and dedication. Since slots for this kind of "compensation" are limited, and it is hard to argue against the idea that one needs to understand the ecosystem at least a bit before assuming a leadership role, the result is that we do not have a large pool of people outside these circles with that high level of dedication to NCSG/NCUC/NPOC's mission that is necessary in order to pursue the enormous learning curve needed to be able to act more effectively within ICANN (while also following up closely if this dedication does not fade after the person has been elected, and, as Julf mentioned, implementing mechanisms to hold representatives accountable).<br><br></div><div>Maybe we can move towards closing this gap with more capacity-building and leadership-forming programs, developing a solid plan on how to attract good people from NextGen/Fellowships programs, etc. Something to keep talking about, in this continuous process of trying to make our Stakeholder Group and Constituencies better each year that goes by 🙂<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cordially,<br><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><b>Pedro de Perdigão Lana</b><br></font></font></span><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.nic.br/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Lawyer</a>, </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.gedai.com.br/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">GEDAI/UFPR</a> Researcher</font></font></span></font></font></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2">PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)</font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"> </font></font></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2">Board Member @ <a href="https://br.creativecommons.net/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">CC Brasil</a>, </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://isoc.org.br/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ISOC BR</a></font></font></span> and <a href="https://ioda.org.br/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">IODA</a></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></div><div><font size="1"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif">This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). If received by mistake, please reply informing it.</span></font></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em ter., 14 de mai. de 2024 às 15:21, Johan Helsingius via Ncuc-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Thanks Remmy, you bring up a valid issue, but often our problem<br>
isn't that there are too many candidates, but rather that there<br>
aren't enough qualified volunteers.<br>
<br>
What we should also look at is monitoring our leadership and<br>
representatives better, and holding them accountable. A first<br>
step would be publishing attendance records, something we have<br>
been discussing a lot, and that I did not want to introduce<br>
too close to the elections as that could be seen as trying to<br>
influence the elections.<br>
<br>
Julf<br>
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> Thanks Johan for this update perspective.<br>
> The charter limits tenure to two, but the point here is how do we <br>
> checkmate people coming from retirement to seek the same office again.<br>
> Maybe its high time to get a nomination committee before our elections.<br>
> This election is given, but for the future exercise and improvement on <br>
> our mentorship programme.<br>
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> <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
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> On 14/05/2024 19:44, Remmy Nweke wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > This observation is well in order but the problem is with the NCSG<br>
> > Charter which has no limitation on tenure.<br>
> <br>
> "The NCSG Chair is elected by the general NCSG membership for a<br>
> one-year term and is limited to two consecutive terms."<br>
> <br>
> "GNSO Council Representatives are subject to terms limits as specified<br>
> in Article X, Section 3 of the Bylaws and the GNSO Operating<br>
> Procedures<br>
> (GOP)."<br>
> <br>
> From the GOP Article 11 Section 3 (b):<br>
> "Except in a "special circumstance," such as, but not limited to,<br>
> meeting geographic or other diversity requirements defined in the<br>
> Stakeholder Group charters, where no alternative representative is<br>
> available to serve, no Council member may be selected to serve more<br>
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