<div dir="auto">I absolutely disagree to make this a constituency matter. It is the card that they played for so long to argue that we didnt have as many constituency. As stakeholder group, if they have 3 reps we should have 3 reps. If we have one as stakeholder group they should have one. If you wanna make them smaller stop having 5 ALAC/at large delegates. No reason for that they are an advisory committee like everyone else. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I keep hearing that we should compromise on this and that and that we have better things to do. What are these better things? We are here to advance our interest. By sitting on policy positions we cannot get anywhere. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Stephanie, if you have written something great. If not we just turn my response with correction to a statement and send it off. We can’t wait forever. </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 6:53 PM Stephanie E Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">

  
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    <p>The fault is not Caleb's it is mine.  I have been working on that
      draft.  Judith Hellerstein was kind enough to draft the response
      to the call for comments, and I had intended to circulate the
      draft for comments this past weekend.  Unfortunately a health
      emergency in my family has dragged me away.  There was quite a bit
      of discussion around the meeting in Washington on this topic, and
      it also had come up at Council.  Council is just now preparing its
      draft response to the Board.  We have till the 30th and Julf is
      standing by to send the final draft, so please lets not panic.<br>
    </p>
    <p>There is strong opposition to growing the Nomcom, as it grows it
      becomes more unwieldy, and they are already working very hard. So
      I would submit that asking for three delegates, just like the
      commercial group, is a non-starter.  However, the battle to get a
      seat for NPOC, at least at the GNSO level, appears to be turning
      in our favour.  Please see my comments re the questions below, and
      expect to see a tidied up draft comment shortly.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div>On 2023-06-26 5:50 p.m., Raoul Plommer
      wrote:<br>
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        <div>Hi Caleb,</div>
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        <div>You received that very email on 27th of April, and since
          you've been preparing the draft since, perhaps you could
          finally share your work with us so we could make that
          statement together as a stakeholder group?</div>
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        <div>-Raoul<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 at 21:46,
          farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Where are NCSG's
              joint recommendations? NCUC can reinforce the message. </div>
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                  <div><font face="verdana, sans-serif" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Farzaneh </font></div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at
              2:44 PM Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <<a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" target="_blank">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">I believe NCUC can consolidate the response
                with the NCSG's joint recommendations.
                <div><br>
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                <div>This will allow us to go out on a united front as
                  non-commercial.</div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 26, 2023
                  at 1:40 PM farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="auto">Benjamin,</div>
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                    <div dir="auto">Not only do we need to respond, we
                      should reach out to our friends and colleagues and
                      tell them what the problem is<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">. See the
                        responses below:</span></div>
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun
                          26, 2023 at 1:57 PM Benjamin Akinmoyeje <<a href="mailto:benakin@gmail.com" target="_blank">benakin@gmail.com</a>>
                          wrote:<br>
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                          <div dir="ltr">Dear NCUC members,
                            <div><br>
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                            <div>Good day and I hope your week is going
                              well.</div>
                            <div>Thank you for participating in the NCUC
                              Readout session.  As discussed in
                              the meeting today, please share  your
                              response to these questions to gather our
                              community views.</div>
                            <div><br>
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                            <div>
                              <div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">ICANN
                                  Board Chair Tripti Sinha is 
                                  requesting feedback from your
                                  respective community groups on the </span>question
                                of <span>rebalancing</span> the
                                Nominating Committee (<span>NomCom</span>)
                                by *<b>30 June 2023</b>*. As noted in
                                the letter, the ICANN Board wishes to
                                engage with the <span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">community
                                  to understand the community’s views on
                                  this topic. The Board is specifically
                                  seeking input on the following
                                  questions:<br>
                                  <br>
                                  1. What does it mean to have a
                                  balanced <span>NomCom</span> at a
                                  point in time? For example, what
                                  criteria would you apply to measure or
                                  assess whether the<br>
                                  <span>NomCom</span> is balanced? And
                                  further, how can one test whether or
                                  not the <span>NomCom</span> is
                                  balanced? </span></div>
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                        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">A
                          balanced NomCom means that the noncommercial
                          and commercial stakeholder groups as
                          predicted have the same number of delegates.
                          For example, if the Commercial Group has three
                          delegates, the noncommercial group should have
                          three delegates. This is the least that can be
                          done when rebalancing.It should be remodeled
                          based on GNSO council composition. </div>
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                                  2. Do you support the view that the
                                  current composition of the <span>NomCom </span>needs
                                  to be <span>rebalanced</span>? Please
                                  explain why or why not.<br>
                                </span></div>
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                        <div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Yes it
                            needs to be rebalanced because as we have
                            argued the noncommercials have fewer
                            delegates compared to the commercial
                            stakeholder group. In every ICANN group, the
                            commercial and noncommercial stakeholder
                            groups should have equal number of
                            delegates, irrespective of how many internal
                            constituencies they each have.<i style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> (SP see
                              above, I doubt this has support.  we just
                              need to have members for each
                              constituency, bearing in mind that the
                              contracted parties do not have
                              consitutuencies, and the At Large has
                              regions not constituencies.)</i><br>
                          </span></div>
                        <div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Also
                            the advisory committees either should be
                            voting delegates or non-voting delegates.
                            Perhaps because ICANN is privately led and
                            the chair of GAC is a liaison on the board
                            the nonvoting nomcom (which they have never
                            appointed) might make sense but it is
                            unclear why some advisory committees are
                            voting and some are not. <i style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br>
                            </i></span></div>
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    <i>SP The recommendation has already been accepted to make all seats
      on the NomCom voting</i><br>
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                                  3. How frequently does the balance
                                  need to be measured or assessed?<br>
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                        <div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">After
                            rebalancing, if the review of various ICANN
                            structures lead to structural changes (which
                            it rarely does) </span> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">then we
                            need to assess whether it should affect
                            delegation on Nomcom. <br>
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    <i>SP I think it best, as I have said at every PC committee when the
      matter ever came up, to steer as clear of structural review as
      possible.  Lets agree on 10 years for NomCom review once we get
      this settled, unless there is a sudden need to reassess.  Reviews
      take time, money, staff resources, and are exhausting our
      volunteers.</i><br>
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                                  4. How do you suggest that the <span>NomCom</span>’s
                                  composition be <span>rebalanced</span>?<br>
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                          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Same
                            number of delegates from Commercial and
                            Noncommercial stakeholders group. If CSG has
                            3 delegates, NCSG has to have 3 delegates
                            too. We don't necessarily ask for increasing
                            the number of our delegates but we ask to
                            reconsider the number of delegates CSG can
                            have. </div>
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    <i>SP We appear to be winning the argument on constituency
      representation, lets settle for that.</i><br>
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                              <div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">5.
                                  Who should conduct this work, and how
                                  should it be conducted?<br>
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                          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">The
                            board should follow the third party reviewer
                            recommendation. </div>
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    <i>SP I believe the how refers to reallocation of NomCom reps.</i><br>
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                                  6. How would your community group
                                  prioritize consideration of this issue<br>
                                  within your planning efforts?<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">This has
                          been a priority issue for NCUC and NCSG since
                          a long time. We are directly affected. <br>
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    <p>SP <i>Given that the NomCom reps are supposed to act
        independently of their organizations, I would avoid saying that
        we are directly affected.  Obviously we would have had another
        seat years ago if everyone in this organization had faith in
        that independence, and the GAC might have surrendered the seat
        they have never used.....but we have to have a strong belief in
        the independence and fair HR practices of the new NomCom that
        will emerge after this review.  We are the ones who are short a
        seat, so clearly it has been on our priorities and it will
        remain there until this fundamental injustice is corrected.  To
        my mind, we lack qualitative review of the actual outputs of the
        NomCom, and we lack a substantive study of what the goals of a
        restructured nomcom might be.  ICANN is 25, and there are plenty
        of folks around who have been here all that time.  What does it
        mean to get new blood to join ICANN from outside the membership
        groups?  What does the MS model need after 25 years?  How did
        the review committee discuss this issue?  are there studies?</i></p>
    <p><i>Those of you who sat on these groups, and there are several of
        you out there who did, please weigh in.</i></p>
    <p>Kind regards, and apologies for the failure to send the draft
      this weekend as planned. Life gets in the way.....</p></div><div>
    <p>Stephanie Perrin<br>
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                                  Additional background on the work to
                                  date on this topic, including by the <span>NomCom</span> Review
                                  Implementation Working Group that<br>
                                  was set up to implement the outcomes
                                  of the Second <span>NomCom</span> Review
                                  (see <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence</a></span></div>
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                                  <<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence</a>>
                                  for each of the<br>
                                  letters sent to all 21 SOAC leaders).
                                  In addition, on 25 May 2023, the<br>
                                  Chair of the Board’s Organizational
                                  Effectiveness Committee, Katrina<br>
                                  Sataki, and members of ICANN org’s
                                  Reviews Support & Accountability
                                  team<br>
                                  gave a presentation to the GNSO
                                  Council that covered the present<br>
                                  structure of <span>NomCom</span>, a
                                  brief history of the <span>rebalancing</span> matter
                                  and<br>
                                  forthcoming actions. As such, you may
                                  find the presentation<br>
                                </span><<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/presentation/presentation-gnso-council-nomcom-rebalancing-revised-25may23-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/presentation/presentation-gnso-council-<span>nomcom</span>-<span>rebalancing</span>-revised-25may23-en.pdf</a>> and<br>
                                the recording<br>
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                                  planned feedback with<br>
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