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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Hello!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Please see attendance and recordings for NCUC-EC Readout Call held Monday, 1 August 2022 at 20:00 UTC. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Andrea & Brenda<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Attendees:</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> Benjamin Akinmoyeje, Bram Fudzulani, Cielito Saravia, Farzaneh Badii, Grace Githaiga, Ines Hfaiedh, Juan Manuel Rojas, Kathy Kleiman, Kenneth Herman,
Milton Mueller, Nthabiseng Pule, Olévié Agbenyo Kouami, Raymond Mamattah, Shah Rahman, Stephanie Perrin, Vitus
</span><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">|</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> </span></span><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">ICANN
Org:</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> Brenda Brewer, Carlos Reyes |
<b>Apologies:</b> Andrea Glandon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ZOOM REPLAY LINK: <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="color:black"><a href="https://icann.zoom.us/rec/play/sMG_Pxeuwwri7L7BN7PxzuBr0AqZ4yJzUdx7RSsoEu1k2jjr6JQWS-5JRYr6igEJRvqeOq41dIo4Tpwy.-e-p3af5UQCOcNA1">HERE</a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">ZOOM AUDIO REPLAY LINK: </span></b><span style="color:black"><a href="https://icann.zoom.us/rec/play/MLlw0FW7pVFXP6vYnU56dk6IA2rd9DefwBD2uu-iwciJuZUDz7oqShfFlcWQH118qVezp1_mZvUijIjI.s9QJ_ZaMVxM1VQV-">HERE</a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">ZOOM CHAT: </span></b><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:24:09 Stephanie E’s iPhone: hi everybody!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:24:58 Farzaneh Badii: Hello!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:26:02 Stephanie E’s iPhone: sorry to miss the Hague in person, but I had a last minute COVID exposure and had to isolate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:29:12 Ines Hfaiedh: hello Kathy hello everybody<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:29:37 Ines Hfaiedh: we have Carlos with us<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:29:43 Ines Hfaiedh: maybe he has more info<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:29:56 Ines Hfaiedh: as it s still pilot<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:30:55 Farzaneh Badii: so is there a call for application? do we know who they are?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:31:19 Stephanie E’s iPhone: i am curious about the methodology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:32:11 Stephanie E’s iPhone: it seems to me that what works is joining the same working group, and supporting each other<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:34:06 Ines Hfaiedh: there used to be ncuc fellowship<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:34:19 Ines Hfaiedh: mentor mentee fellowship<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:34:30 Kathy Kleiman: CROPP should come back - quickly :-)!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:34:32 Ines Hfaiedh: this is what Farzaneh is talking about @ben<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:34:39 Kathy Kleiman: Especially with this important mentoring program<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:34:53 Kathy Kleiman: And whew, my Zoom updates finally installed!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:36:58 Milton: Can I be the in the multistakeholder theater?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:37:18 Benjamin Akinmoyeje: Currently CROPP is still not open , it was stopped because if COVID19<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:39:18 Kathy Kleiman: @Benjamin, tx and that made sense then. If ICANN is holding F2F meetings, then CROPP should be back to make sure we (especial NCSG and NCUC) can bring
our policy people and mentors to meetings in a timely manner. (ALAC gets tons of funding.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:39:45 Kathy Kleiman: @Farzi - what are the alternatives to a PDP?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:40:44 Kathy Kleiman: :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:41:55 Kathy Kleiman: Right, tremendous results of low DNS abuse (and getting lower)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:42:00 Kathy Kleiman: Agreed - no PDP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:42:30 Kathy Kleiman: Perfect - although better to not have a PDP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:44:55 Farzaneh Badii: ALAC liaison to council is actively engaged with the council and a part of that small team<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:46:00 Benjamin Akinmoyeje: @Kathy, I agree with the need for CROPP for NCUC, we were overly outnumbered at ICANN74. We need a mechanism to get our community to ICANN meetings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:48:07 Kathy Kleiman: good term!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:48:18 Milton: dramatis personae<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:48:27 Milton: tragedy or comedy?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:48:39 Kathy Kleiman: both!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:52:11 Farzaneh Badii: Here is my blog, https://digitalmedusa.org/the-domain-name-multistakeholder-theatre/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:53:03 Ines Hfaiedh: Thank you Farzaneh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:54:27 Kathy Kleiman: That has a ring - death by survey!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:55:33 Kathy Kleiman: @Ken, I respectfully disagree<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:55:40 Kathy Kleiman: We don't do content takedown policies<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">00:57:29 Kenneth Herman (NCUC EC NA Rep): thanks Kathy. I understand, but do the contracted parties?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:00:55 Farzaneh Badii: but ICANN contract does a lot of things regarding DNS abuse Ken. “3.18.2 Registrar shall establish and maintain a dedicated abuse point of contact, including
a dedicated email address and telephone number that is monitored 24 hours a day, seven days a week, to receive reports of Illegal Activity by law enforcement, consumer protection, quasi-governmental or other similar authorities designated from time to time
by the national or territorial government of the jurisdiction in which the Registrar is established or maintains a physical office. Well-founded reports of Illegal Activity submitted to these contacts must be reviewed within 24 hours by an individual who is
empowered by Registrar to take necessary and appropriate actions in response to the report. In responding to any such reports, Registrar will not be required to take any action in contravention of applicable law."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:02:09 Raymond Mamattah: Good evening from Accra, Ghana<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:02:51 Ines Hfaiedh: Hello Raymond welcome<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:02:53 Nthabiseng Pule: Good evening and thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:03:00 Kenneth Herman (NCUC EC NA Rep): Thanks Kathy. I'm still learning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:03:02 Farzaneh Badii: Hi everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:03:57 Milton: amen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:04:16 Farzaneh Badii: Congrats on the book Kathy , btw<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:04:35 Kathy Kleiman: @Ken: Contracted parties answer to multiple groups: ICANN, their national governments, even regional governmental authorities (e.g., EU/GDPR). Yes,
I think they understand well - but we may have different answers about what they understand.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:05:05 Raymond Mamattah: Thanks Ines.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:05:50 Farzaneh Badii: Kathy's amazing book: https://www.amazon.com/Proving-Ground-Untold-Programmed-Computer/dp/1538718286<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:06:01 Kathy Kleiman: Tx @Stephanie! There are so many open issues in new gTLDs, it could take a long time to work them all through and roll out New gTLDs. It's a huge process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:06:47 Kenneth Herman (NCUC EC NA Rep): Thanks @Stephanie. I was very alarmed at the potential for mischief.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:07:03 Farzaneh Badii: Here is ABC News piece about it: https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/review-proving-ground-profiles-women-programmers-87438619 (I will stop...
but read the book)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:07:07 Milton: fellow zealots<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:07:56 Milton: I will have to leave in 10 min<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:08:20 Farzaneh Badii: Hello Cielito and Nthabiseng! welcome and please reach out if you want more information<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:09:27 Stephanie E’s iPhone: sorry old hand<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:09:56 Kathy Kleiman: @All - I did a ton of work for many years on New gTLD policy and implementation. With my new book (Tx Farzi!) about the ENIAC Programmers, the six women
who programmed the first general-purpose, programmable, all-electronic computer during/just after WWII, I'm not able to follow the implementation of New gTLD rules, including support of minority applicants.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:10:04 Kathy Kleiman: Can someone (someones) help?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:10:05 Stephanie E’s iPhone: ok new hand<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:10:18 Raymond Mamattah: Obviously funding and nice program lineup<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:11:13 Farzaneh Badii: so we do have issues we can focus on. who is interested? is there anybody interested in working with me monitoring these issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:12:04 Stephanie E’s iPhone: waving my hand to speak<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:12:47 Farzaneh Badii: well can we ask her to kindly start an NCUC revolution in Asia PAcific ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:12:56 Kathy Kleiman: lol<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:13:19 Kathy Kleiman: Stephanie?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:14:00 Milton: Can Edmon and Jennifer Chung provide some contacts ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:14:12 Farzaneh Badii: oh who is going instead?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:14:35 Milton: I cannot go to KL either, can't skip a week of teaching<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:14:53 Farzaneh Badii: Me neither. I can't spend two weeks on domain name issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:15:28 Farzaneh Badii: ok Benjamin I have a suggestion for you. I will send an email to NCUC members and see who is interested to work with me from Asia Pacific or anywhere
else to work on a few ICANN issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:15:41 Kathy Kleiman: So let's send the people who want to go...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:15:49 Kathy Kleiman: and stay safe, Stephanie!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:15:58 Farzaneh Badii: EXACTLY<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:16:14 Farzaneh Badii: that's an NCSG travel slot which they can reallocate to someone in Asia Pacific<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:17:22 Farzaneh Badii: We need action items!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:18:55 Milton: bye all!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:19:57 Stephanie E’s iPhone: unfortunately, if ncsg takes my travel slot for another member, that person replaces me at the council meeting. we cannot keep our cake and eat it too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:20:11 Kathy Kleiman: @Farzi, good idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:20:57 Farzaneh Badii: No Stephanie.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:21:09 Farzaneh Badii: I took Tomslin's travel slot and I didn't replace him<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:21:14 Raymond Mamattah: The person takes your place even if not council member? @Stephanie?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:21:18 Farzaneh Badii: so that travel slot has to be reallocated<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:21:40 Raymond Mamattah: Makes sense Farzaneh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">01:21:42 Kenneth Herman (NCUC EC NA Rep): Thanks Ben and Ines.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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