<div dir="ltr">Hi Steph<div><br></div><div>Much has been said already but I just want to comment on a specific point you raised, that is whether travel is a perk.</div><div><br></div><div>One needs a lot of equipment and favorable circumstances for travel (the sort that in person ICANN meetings offer) to be a career or personal benefit. The more of this "base layer" you start with, the more profitable f2f experiences are; if you have none, then it is all burden/wasted time and no benefit. You can acquire some of this equipment and circumstances (thinking money, passport, capacity building, etc.) But we all start from different points, especially when it comes to where we grew up and what kind of socialization we received as children. Yes, it does go that far back: one that hears stories about mom and dad traveling abroad to business trips will necessarily be more "ready to participate" at ICANN than someone who's never had this kind of conversation. And that's just one example...</div><div><br></div><div>The thing we need to work on is what can be acquired through the means at our (SC/Cs) disposal, while we need to remain keenly aware of the different starting points, and the things we cannot provide (like a better passport or a different socialization) Not that these differences imply a difference in worth or value at the individual level, on the contrary! But they do change dramatically how ready one is "naturally" to "participate" (for one's and others' benefit) in a f2f ICANN meeting. If our efforts are fostering broader participation do not take that into consideration, then they risk being fruitless. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 12:13 PM Stephanie E Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Dorothy, I think you have summarized the real problem very
succinctly. Further, I think the research that Bruna and Louise
led last year, where we polled our members about participation, is
largely in agreement with your comments, and speaks to the need to
solve this problem some how and figure out incentives. We cannot
rely, for our policy expertise, on aging profs and experts, and
whatever students they manage to attract to do the heavy
lifting. Because it is indeed heavy lifting....</p>
<p>The EPDP is ending very soon (although it threatens to go on and
on like the movie Rocky, with some of us diehards looking equally
bloody). The next step is the IRT, which will be important
because we have punted a lot of the hard stuff to implementation.
Whoever goes there has to be one of those who were on the
EPDP......which underscores the systemic isolation of those who do
work on our issues. WE are now in a situation where there are so
few folks engaging with the work that if you are the one on the
team, you wind up writing the comments on the drafts, summarizing
our inputs etc. Doing briefing notes for others has zero allure.
Who is going to make the videos? I can imagine a willingness to
speak, to summarize the issues when it is fresh in my brain....but
don't ask me to take time out from all this to teach a class.
Mentorship strikes me as the only way out, but the question is
what motivates someone to want to be mentored, and what are they
willing to do in exchange for it? Kathy Kleiman has mentored many
folks here under the pilot program, I am hoping we can build a
program based on that one but we need keen mentors and motivated
mentees. Folks don't appear to like the idea that travel is a
perc (yes, we do work hard at meetings) but in my experience at
work and volunteering, attending conferences is a benefit and
incentive, particularly when it includes international travel and
plenty of social events and opportunities to make professional
contacts.</p>
<p>Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Thank you Joy
and Kathy for reminding us of the current programmatic
priorities. I have no firm views on the proposed merger, I
am waiting to learn more. I do feel though that it may not
be the right tool to address the real issue. This in my humble
opinion is how to encourage greater member participation and
grow our numbers. How do we get tens of thousands of members
to be active. Speaking from a personal level and drawing on
my interactions with others over the years, members do not
participate because they feel they do not understand the
issues well enough. What are we really being asked to take a
decision on? How can I possibly join in on a discussion when
I do not really understand where my interests lie?</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">So the
challenge is how do we communicate better on the decision
points. Do we ask volunteer researchers to set out the
positions so people can argue out the case with them? Do we
issue briefing notes? Short videos? Do we have policy debate
groups? I am sure some of these have been tried in the past
and perhaps other members have better ideas on how to do this.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Some people
have the advantage of interacting frequently with experts in
the field, many do not. If the group is reduced to only those
who deal with the issues as part of their day job we will not
be able to solve the workload distribution issues mentioned in
earlier mails even if we merge. I just looked at the ICANN
pages on the Review of the Rights Protection mechanisms. In
my view they would not help someone to get to know the
issues. By definition our groups are made up of users. We
must figure a way of encouraging them to think like experts.
It should be that my position on the various aspects of rights
protection mechanisms is as clear as my positions on vegemite
and marmite. How do we get there? A merger may or may not be
part of the solution. So let us address the real issue. I
believe if we get this right we will grow into a more vibrant
community and we will also inspire more generalised citizen
engagement. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 8:33
AM Joy Liddicoat <<a href="mailto:joy@liddicoat.nz" target="_blank">joy@liddicoat.nz</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Dorothy, thanks for the question.</p>
<p>There is always plenty going on and I feel somewhat
guilty about identifying priorities that I can't at this
stage work on! However, in the current work programme, my
priorit picks would be:</p>
<p>* the review of the rights protection mechanisms <br>
</p>
<p>* the EDPD on the temporary specification for gLTD data</p>
<p>As for possible new areas - it seems to have been a while
since there as a proposal focused on access to knowledge
....</p>
<p>Joy<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Dear
Joy, Please share with me what you find to be the
priority issues right now. I would like another
perspective as I sometimes speak on this topic. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Navel
gazing may help get more people thinking about the
group!</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">best</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 12, 2020
at 5:06 AM Joy Liddicoat <<a href="mailto:joy@liddicoat.nz" target="_blank">joy@liddicoat.nz</a>>
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<p>Hi Joly - good question, thanks. To be honest, I
have no intention of responding to the debate at
this point - the idea generates about as much
interest as I would have in sharpening a blunt
pencil and using it to poke holes in cheese. <br>
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<p>No disrespect intended to those who favour
discussing it, but honestly, with all the other
issues in the DNS+ world right now, I would have
thought better to engage in substantive policy
work than on this kind of internal restructuring.</p>
<p>I acknowledge that I say this as someone who
hasn't engaged in policy work for some time (for
various reasons) and also being from New Zealand,
where we currently have the privilege of living in
a Covid-free community thanks to our strong
political leadership and collective community
action. However, this does give me a different
perspective on ICANN, gTLDs, ccTLDs and relative
priorities.<br>
</p>
<p>Joy Liddicoat<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I notice a
deafeniing silence from the NCUC old school on
this topic. Are we keeping our powder dry?</div>
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