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<p>I certainly agree with that Raph, and one of our goals is surely
to help some of our members who would not have the opportunity to
participate in face to face global Internet discussions, do so in
comfort and with confidence. <br>
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<p>cheers Steph<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-07-16 11:29 a.m., Raphael
Beauregard-Lacroix wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Steph
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<div>Much has been said already but I just want to comment on a
specific point you raised, that is whether travel is a perk.</div>
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<div>One needs a lot of equipment and favorable circumstances
for travel (the sort that in person ICANN meetings offer) to
be a career or personal benefit. The more of this "base layer"
you start with, the more profitable f2f experiences are; if
you have none, then it is all burden/wasted time and no
benefit. You can acquire some of this equipment and
circumstances (thinking money, passport, capacity building,
etc.) But we all start from different points, especially when
it comes to where we grew up and what kind of socialization we
received as children. Yes, it does go that far back: one that
hears stories about mom and dad traveling abroad to business
trips will necessarily be more "ready to participate" at ICANN
than someone who's never had this kind of conversation. And
that's just one example...</div>
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<div>The thing we need to work on is what can be acquired
through the means at our (SC/Cs) disposal, while we need to
remain keenly aware of the different starting points, and the
things we cannot provide (like a better passport or a
different socialization) Not that these differences imply a
difference in worth or value at the individual level, on the
contrary! But they do change dramatically how ready one is
"naturally" to "participate" (for one's and others' benefit)
in a f2f ICANN meeting. If our efforts are fostering
broader participation do not take that into consideration,
then they risk being fruitless. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 12:13
PM Stephanie E Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>
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<p>Dorothy, I think you have summarized the real problem
very succinctly. Further, I think the research that Bruna
and Louise led last year, where we polled our members
about participation, is largely in agreement with your
comments, and speaks to the need to solve this problem
some how and figure out incentives. We cannot rely, for
our policy expertise, on aging profs and experts, and
whatever students they manage to attract to do the heavy
lifting. Because it is indeed heavy lifting....</p>
<p>The EPDP is ending very soon (although it threatens to go
on and on like the movie Rocky, with some of us diehards
looking equally bloody). The next step is the IRT, which
will be important because we have punted a lot of the hard
stuff to implementation. Whoever goes there has to be one
of those who were on the EPDP......which underscores the
systemic isolation of those who do work on our issues. WE
are now in a situation where there are so few folks
engaging with the work that if you are the one on the
team, you wind up writing the comments on the drafts,
summarizing our inputs etc. Doing briefing notes for
others has zero allure. Who is going to make the videos?
I can imagine a willingness to speak, to summarize the
issues when it is fresh in my brain....but don't ask me to
take time out from all this to teach a class. Mentorship
strikes me as the only way out, but the question is what
motivates someone to want to be mentored, and what are
they willing to do in exchange for it? Kathy Kleiman has
mentored many folks here under the pilot program, I am
hoping we can build a program based on that one but we
need keen mentors and motivated mentees. Folks don't
appear to like the idea that travel is a perc (yes, we do
work hard at meetings) but in my experience at work and
volunteering, attending conferences is a benefit and
incentive, particularly when it includes international
travel and plenty of social events and opportunities to
make professional contacts.</p>
<p>Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div>On 2020-07-15 5:58 a.m., dorothy g wrote:<br>
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you Joy and Kathy for reminding us of the current
programmatic priorities. I have no firm views on the
proposed merger, I am waiting to learn more. I do
feel though that it may not be the right tool to
address the real issue. This in my humble opinion is
how to encourage greater member participation and grow
our numbers. How do we get tens of thousands of
members to be active. Speaking from a personal level
and drawing on my interactions with others over the
years, members do not participate because they feel
they do not understand the issues well enough. What
are we really being asked to take a decision on? How
can I possibly join in on a discussion when I do not
really understand where my interests lie?</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">So
the challenge is how do we communicate better on the
decision points. Do we ask volunteer researchers to
set out the positions so people can argue out the case
with them? Do we issue briefing notes? Short videos?
Do we have policy debate groups? I am sure some of
these have been tried in the past and perhaps other
members have better ideas on how to do this.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Some
people have the advantage of interacting frequently
with experts in the field, many do not. If the group
is reduced to only those who deal with the issues as
part of their day job we will not be able to solve the
workload distribution issues mentioned in earlier
mails even if we merge. I just looked at the ICANN
pages on the Review of the Rights Protection
mechanisms. In my view they would not help someone to
get to know the issues. By definition our groups are
made up of users. We must figure a way of encouraging
them to think like experts. It should be that my
position on the various aspects of rights protection
mechanisms is as clear as my positions on vegemite and
marmite. How do we get there? A merger may or may not
be part of the solution. So let us address the real
issue. I believe if we get this right we will grow
into a more vibrant community and we will also inspire
more generalised citizen engagement. </div>
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<p>Hi Dorothy, thanks for the question.</p>
<p>There is always plenty going on and I feel
somewhat guilty about identifying priorities that
I can't at this stage work on! However, in the
current work programme, my priorit picks would be:</p>
<p>* the review of the rights protection mechanisms
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<p>* the EDPD on the temporary specification for
gLTD data</p>
<p>As for possible new areas - it seems to have been
a while since there as a proposal focused on
access to knowledge ....</p>
<p>Joy<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Dear Joy, Please
share with me what you find to be the priority
issues right now. I would like another
perspective as I sometimes speak on this
topic. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Navel gazing may help
get more people thinking about the group!</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">best</div>
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12, 2020 at 5:06 AM Joy Liddicoat <<a href="mailto:joy@liddicoat.nz" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">joy@liddicoat.nz</a>>
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<p>Hi Joly - good question, thanks. To be
honest, I have no intention of responding
to the debate at this point - the idea
generates about as much interest as I
would have in sharpening a blunt pencil
and using it to poke holes in cheese. <br>
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<p>No disrespect intended to those who
favour discussing it, but honestly, with
all the other issues in the DNS+ world
right now, I would have thought better to
engage in substantive policy work than on
this kind of internal restructuring.</p>
<p>I acknowledge that I say this as someone
who hasn't engaged in policy work for some
time (for various reasons) and also being
from New Zealand, where we currently have
the privilege of living in a Covid-free
community thanks to our strong political
leadership and collective community
action. However, this does give me a
different perspective on ICANN, gTLDs,
ccTLDs and relative priorities.<br>
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<p>Joy Liddicoat<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I notice a
deafeniing silence from the NCUC old
school on this topic. Are we keeping
our powder dry?</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">joly</div>
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