<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Thank you Joy and Kathy for reminding us of the current programmatic priorities. I have no firm views on the proposed merger, I am waiting to learn more. I do feel though that it may not be the right tool to address the real issue. This in my humble opinion is how to encourage greater member participation and grow our numbers. How do we get tens of thousands of members to be active. Speaking from a personal level and drawing on my interactions with others over the years, members do not participate because they feel they do not understand the issues well enough. What are we really being asked to take a decision on? How can I possibly join in on a discussion when I do not really understand where my interests lie?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">So the challenge is how do we communicate better on the decision points. Do we ask volunteer researchers to set out the positions so people can argue out the case with them? Do we issue briefing notes? Short videos? Do we have policy debate groups? I am sure some of these have been tried in the past and perhaps other members have better ideas on how to do this.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Some people have the advantage of interacting frequently with experts in the field, many do not. If the group is reduced to only those who deal with the issues as part of their day job we will not be able to solve the workload distribution issues mentioned in earlier mails even if we merge. I just looked at the ICANN pages on the Review of the Rights Protection mechanisms. In my view they would not help someone to get to know the issues. By definition our groups are made up of users. We must figure a way of encouraging them to think like experts. It should be that my position on the various aspects of rights protection mechanisms is as clear as my positions on vegemite and marmite. How do we get there? A merger may or may not be part of the solution. So let us address the real issue. I believe if we get this right we will grow into a more vibrant community and we will also inspire more generalised citizen engagement. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 8:33 AM Joy Liddicoat <<a href="mailto:joy@liddicoat.nz">joy@liddicoat.nz</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p>Hi Dorothy, thanks for the question.</p>
<p>There is always plenty going on and I feel somewhat guilty about
identifying priorities that I can't at this stage work on!
However, in the current work programme, my priorit picks would be:</p>
<p>* the review of the rights protection mechanisms <br>
</p>
<p>* the EDPD on the temporary specification for gLTD data</p>
<p>As for possible new areas - it seems to have been a while since
there as a proposal focused on access to knowledge ....</p>
<p>Joy<br>
</p>
<div>On 12/07/2020 8:08 pm, dorothy g wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Dear Joy,
Please share with me what you find to be the priority issues
right now. I would like another perspective as I sometimes
speak on this topic. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Navel gazing
may help get more people thinking about the group!</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">best</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 5:06
AM Joy Liddicoat <<a href="mailto:joy@liddicoat.nz" target="_blank">joy@liddicoat.nz</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p>Hi Joly - good question, thanks. To be honest, I have no
intention of responding to the debate at this point - the
idea generates about as much interest as I would have in
sharpening a blunt pencil and using it to poke holes in
cheese. <br>
</p>
<p>No disrespect intended to those who favour discussing it,
but honestly, with all the other issues in the DNS+ world
right now, I would have thought better to engage in
substantive policy work than on this kind of internal
restructuring.</p>
<p>I acknowledge that I say this as someone who hasn't
engaged in policy work for some time (for various reasons)
and also being from New Zealand, where we currently have
the privilege of living in a Covid-free community thanks
to our strong political leadership and collective
community action. However, this does give me a different
perspective on ICANN, gTLDs, ccTLDs and relative
priorities.<br>
</p>
<p>Joy Liddicoat<br>
</p>
<div>On 12/07/2020 3:59 pm, Joly MacFie wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I
notice a deafeniing silence from the NCUC old school
on this topic. Are we keeping our powder dry?</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">joly</div>
<div><br>
</div>
-- <br>
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div>--------------------------------------<br>
Joly MacFie +<span title="Call with Google
Voice">2185659365</span> </div>
<div>--------------------------------------</div>
-</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset></fieldset>
<pre>_______________________________________________
Ncuc-discuss mailing list
<a href="mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>
<a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre cols="72">--
Joy Liddicoat
@internetrights</pre>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
Ncuc-discuss mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss</a><br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br clear="all">
<div><br>
</div>
-- <br>
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>stay well, kind regards</div>
Dorothy Gordon</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<pre cols="72">--
Joy Liddicoat
@internetrights</pre>
</div>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>stay well, kind regards</div>Dorothy Gordon</div></div>