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<p>Dorothy,</p>
<p>Thank you very much for your contribution to this unfortunate
discussion! It is much appreciated! For members who are not
aware, the Ombudsman has access to all lists at ICANN and is
empowered to watch/monitor. When I receive or see complaints of
racism or fraud, which are serious allegations, I usually contact
him directly in case things escalate. I did so in this case as
well. Other Chairs may not do this, but as a white woman of
moderate privilege (all things socio-economic being relative) I
feel strongly that an independent oversight is required with
respect to racist allegations, particularly of leaders. I feel
the same about outright harassment actions. This has of course
caused a lot of friction within our group, some members feeling
strongly that the NCSG Chair (and for this thread, the NCUC Chair)
are empowered by our Charter and procedures to intervene and deal
with the allegations and behaviour, ultimately rejecting members.
Unfortunately, the disagreements in our group frequently escalate
to the point where they do not, in my opinion, reflect well on us,
which is why I tried last year to establish a more fulsome code of
ethics, an idea which has been thoroughly ridiculed and rejected.
The conduct on the lists can certainly be dealt with according to
the Charter and the ICANN expected standards of behaviour
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2016-06-28-en</a>)
but I remain, perhaps stubbornly, convinced that other kinds of
disruptive behaviour and harassment are better dealt with by the
Ombudsman. Given the growing tendency to take these fights off
our lists onto other social media, notably Facebook and Twitter, I
think the remit of the Chairs is limited.<br>
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<p>In any case, I am proposing to the NCSG EC that we develop
procedures for list monitoring and intervention that would task
one of the members of the relevant ECs to act as list monitor,
peacemaker, and ultimately the person in charge of removal of
offending persons from the lists. As you correctly point out,
sometimes things escalate because of language differences, and
having a list "referee" to help translate meaning or encourage
people to use less inflammatory language could be valuable. Every
time we have these kinds of flareups, we lose members, because the
dozens of angry emails put them off being a member of our
organization. Furthermore, leadership positions being tasked with
having to perform these referee roles must surely dissuade many of
our members from running for office.</p>
<p>Kind regards, Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-06-04 12:40 a.m., dorothy g
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Vaibhav, As
you can see I am not white. I can assure you that in English
the word 'nonsense' is not a racial slur. Anyone can talk
nonsense. It is not associated with any racial or ethnic
group. I agree it is not a polite word but it is not racist.
We are working from different mother-tongue and different
cultures so sometimes communication suffers as a result. You
may feel you are being bullied and you have a right to your
feelings but as an observer I cannot agree with you. I have
been a member of this group for many years. We may not always
agree but we can disagree politely. Please do not assume that
the entire group has no trust in the leadership and process.
We will learn from this experience and do better. Sincerely
wishing you the best.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:16 PM
Vaibhav Aggarwal <<a href="mailto:va@bladebrains.com" moz-do-not-send="true">va@bladebrains.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Franco,
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<div>Thanks for seeing reason in my point. </div>
<div>It is important the the Chair at this juncture along
with the EC is held responsible. And I ask for their
resignations in the interest of Transparency,
Accountability, Adherence, & Code of Ethics. </div>
<div>There is no trust in the current management of this
group as there is no direction & righteousness.<br>
<br>
A Adhoc committee be put in place, elections proposed be
stopped & group be reconvened for way forward. A
Minimum Corum of representation be decided for any
decisions. </div>
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<div>A hand full of 5-8 people running this group like a
cartel.. </div>
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<div>Since diversity is the basis of this Multi-Stakeholder
environment, I bring this up for my brothers &
sisters from the lesser Privileged / developed ecosystems
who are putting hard effort in bringing policy up for the
better. Every one should get an opportunity. Freedom of
voice should never be suppressed in a stressed
environment. Equal opportunity is our right. </div>
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<div>The expose and your views on what’s going wrong should
be sent to the Ombudsman of ICANN - and everyone should
write to him. It’s important to be heard.</div>
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<div>Read this in addition to my views above, I was a victim
of racial abuse yesterday in front of everyone - Nonsense
is what I was called - And I was reprimanded, my integrity
was attacked upon & today being threatened & my
privacy being violted by the Chair herself in a most
casual manner. This is not good. This is bullying &
harassment. </div>
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<div>Post the email, I won’t know if I am onslought be
brought upon me by some, and If I will still be here or my
list access be barred, but I would certainly die a free
man. Some good will I be able to do, form some to do good
on policy. The world needs you. </div>
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<div>Rest is ur imagination & wisdom. </div>
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<div>Yours sincerely, </div>
<div>-VA</div>
<div><a href="http://www.thevaibhav.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.thevaibhav.com</a></div>
<div>+91.9899246969</div>
<div>New Delhi, India</div>
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regretted. </div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Jun 3, 2020, at 9:45 PM,
franco giandana <<a href="mailto:fgiandana@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">fgiandana@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello everyone,
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<div>As a current member of the NCUC EC representing
the LAC region, I will be raising this subject and
the comments exposed in this thread to the entire
EC. I hope we can bring some updated soon. </div>
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<div>Please reach out to me if you have any
questions. </div>
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<div>Kind regards, </div>
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<div>Franco</div>
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2020 a las 10:22, Vaibhav Aggarwal, Catalyst &
Group CEO (<<a href="mailto:va@bladebrains.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">va@bladebrains.com</a>>)
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<div>If anybody has missed this email - Like the
Chair / EC.
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<div>The group will be eager to know. </div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>-VA<br>
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<div>On Jun 3, 2020, at 5:57 PM, KASWESHA
<<a href="mailto:kaswesha@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">kaswesha@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="auto">Hello everyone. Hope all
is well during this pandemic period
that has paralysed almost everything
around the globe.
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<div dir="auto">I declared my interest
in representing North America now
that I am a permanent resident
here, however no one responded to
my self-nomination. As we continue
the search for a suitable
representative from the region I
would still request to know from
either the EC or even membership
fraternity whether it's that I am
not eligible for this position or I
am non-active member of the group.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Have a great time
wherever you are.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Best regards;</div>
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<div dir="auto">James Njoroge Gitau</div>
<div dir="auto">Elsmere, Kentucky</div>
<div dir="auto">United States of
America</div>
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Marie Hurel <<a href="mailto:louise.marie.hsd@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">louise.marie.hsd@gmail.com</a>>
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points here and add another.</div>
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<div>We have a great membership
that spreads throughout
different regions. Not having a
filled position for the NA is
unfortunate, we should be able
to have a healthy and
competitive election. If you
would like to know more about
the NCUC EC, please feel free to
reach out and we will gladly
have a chat. If you think that
you could contribute to
enhancing the role of
non-commercial interests but
might still be unsure about
where to start, we can also help
you. However, we do encourage
you to get in touch - we're nice
folks ha :) <br>
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<div>As Bruna mentioned, there's
time to think, you have time to
think before we open up a call
for interest to the North
American Representative at the
NCUC EC. <br>
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<div>All the best,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear all,
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<div>After reflecting with the
NCUC EC about the lack of
candidates for the position
of NCUC EC representative
for North America, we have
decided to follow up with
the election deadlines as
they are and to not reopen
the nomination period for
this specific seat. </div>
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<div>Once we conclude this
process the EC will follow
up with a call for interest
to the North American
Representative at the NCUC
EC, and move with the
appointment based on the
current EC decision. </div>
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<div>Something that was also
considered was the fact that
we did not have a candidate
until now so maybe reopening
a call for interest once we
are done with this election
process will give our
members some time to think
about it. </div>
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<div>Last but not least, I
would also like to note that
this was an unanimous
decision from the NCUC
Leadership Team. <br>
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Best Regards, </div>
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