<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>Milton, I am surprised by this.... it's pure opinion, and I must point it out to others... :( comments inline... </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 7:41 PM Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Oh, this is such hypocrisy. So Andrew McLaughlin, Mike Roberts and Esther Dyson (who totally dissed the noncommercial constituency when they held positions of
power in ICANN are now coming to the rescue of the noncommercial community by altruistically offering to take over an asset worth $1 billion.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well actually at that time there was a MUCH stronger focus on At Large and we had a global election! Things were way better from the point of end users, we even had an accountable diverse board. Some 20 years down the line there are still major issues here... </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-2606225170793849275WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> </span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Those people are _</span><i style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">not</i><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">_ our friends.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, speak for yourself. As far as I can see they are way better than the organisational ISOC/Ethos deal, from the .org perspective. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-2606225170793849275WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">This is an example of why we need to be careful how we react to this proposed sale. This is just turning into a land grab, by which certain interests (e.g. Wikimedia
Foundation) are seeking to exploit the controversy to take over ORG for themselves.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So are you also pointing to the wikimedia foundation as exploitative?? </div><div><br></div><div>I have been involved passionately in ISOC for 25 years... after Salt Lake City it was never the same. The Internet Society of South Africa had to split and create Internet South Africa. ISOC has institutional control and is in the Ethos deal. </div><div><br></div><div>Sincerely</div><div><br></div><div>Alan</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-2606225170793849275WordSection1">
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<b>Subject:</b> [NCUC-DISCUSS] Reuters reports new cooperative formed to take over management of .ORG<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This would appear to me to pose an existential threat to ISOC, as this nonprofit cooperative - whose membership appears to me to have more political muscle than ISOC has - is not proposing to buy PIR from ISOC, but to instead have the .ORG
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<p class="MsoNormal">The full article is here, and I have extracted some relevant quotes below: <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/reuters-america-internet-nonprofit-leaders-fight-deal-to-sell-control-of-org-domain.html?__source=sharebar%7Ctwitter&par=sharebar" target="_blank">https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/reuters-america-internet-nonprofit-leaders-fight-deal-to-sell-control-of-org-domain.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>“What offended me about the Ethos Capital deal and the way it unfolded is that it seems to have completely betrayed this concept of stewardship,” said Andrew McLaughlin, who oversaw the transfer of internet governance from the U.S. Commerce
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Maher and others said the idea of the new cooperative is not to offer a competing financial bid for .org, which brings in roughly $100 million in revenue from domain sales. Instead, they hope that the unusual new entity, formally a California
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>... The initial seven directors of the cooperative include former founding ICANN President Michael Roberts, MacArthur Foundation philanthropist Jeff Ubois and Bill Woodcock, whose Packet Clearing House now runs the technical aspects
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>The new group has briefed members of the U.S. Congress and hopes to prompt the Internet Society to reconsider the sale. But its best shot at stopping the pending sale lies with ICANN, which can veto any change in ownership out of concern
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