<div dir="ltr">Thanks Milton for the extract. <div><br></div><div>It is better to lose with dignity than losing without one. ISOC and PIR need to re-traced as regards .ORG decision.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 5:21 PM Benjamin Akinmoyeje <<a href="mailto:benakin@gmail.com">benakin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The creation of alternate organizations or platform to try wrestle .ORG away from ISOC and PIR  or the new buyers show the alternate forces out there.<div>No one seems to be talking about the mechanism PIR is putting forward or is it too late for them to engage the community now?</div><div><br></div><div>The major challenge now is how does ISOC win back the confidence of the community and get a constructive engagement moving forward.</div><div><br></div><div>I personally find useful the context that Milton gave us about those behind the new body, this helps to know.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Benjamin</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 10:34 AM Olivier Kouami <<a href="mailto:olivierkouami@gmail.com" target="_blank">olivierkouami@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Greetings from Cotonou<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This situation become more and more weird to me.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thank you Dr Muller for your lights.</div><div dir="auto">Thank you Wisdom for attracting our attention on this.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I hope this story will end favor of the end users</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Warm regards</div><div dir="auto">Olévié KOUAMI</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le jeu. 9 janv. 2020 à 02:21, Carlos Afonso via Ncuc-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Ths story is in the New York Times as well:<br>
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<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/technology/dot-org-private-equity-battle.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/07/technology/dot-org-private-equity-battle.html</a><br>
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fraternal regards<br>
<br>
--c.a.<br>
<br>
On 08/01/2020 07:28, Wisdom Donkor wrote:<br>
> In this 7 January 2020 article<br>
> <<a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/reuters-america-internet-nonprofit-leaders-fight-deal-to-sell-control-of-org-domain.html?__source=sharebar%7Ctwitter&par=sharebar" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/reuters-america-internet-nonprofit-leaders-fight-deal-to-sell-control-of-org-domain.html?__source=sharebar%7Ctwitter&par=sharebar</a>><br>
> we<br>
> learn that, "*prominent internet executives told Reuters they have created<br>
> a nonprofit cooperative they are offering as an alternative owner of .org.*"<br>
> <br>
> This would appear to me to pose an existential threat to ISOC, as this<br>
> nonprofit cooperative - whose membership appears to me to have more<br>
> political muscle than ISOC has - is not proposing to buy PIR from ISOC, but<br>
> to instead have the .ORG Registry Agreement assigned to it by ICANN.<br>
> <br>
> The full article is here, and I have extracted some relevant quotes below:<br>
> <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/reuters-america-internet-nonprofit-leaders-fight-deal-to-sell-control-of-org-domain.html?__source=sharebar%7Ctwitter&par=sharebar" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/reuters-america-internet-nonprofit-leaders-fight-deal-to-sell-control-of-org-domain.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar</a><br>
> <br>
> *“What offended me about the Ethos Capital deal and the way it unfolded is<br>
> that it seems to have completely betrayed this concept of stewardship,”<br>
> said Andrew McLaughlin, who oversaw the transfer of internet governance<br>
> from the U.S. Commerce Department to ICANN, completed in 2016.*<br>
> <br>
> *Maher and others said the idea of the new cooperative is not to offer a<br>
> competing financial bid for .org, which brings in roughly $100 million in<br>
> revenue from domain sales. Instead, they hope that the unusual new entity,<br>
> formally a California Consumer Cooperative Corporation, can manage the<br>
> domain for security and stability and make sure it does not become a tool<br>
> for censorship.*<br>
> <br>
> *... **The initial seven directors of the cooperative include former<br>
> founding ICANN President Michael Roberts, MacArthur Foundation<br>
> philanthropist Jeff Ubois and Bill Woodcock, whose Packet Clearing House<br>
> now runs the technical aspects of the .org system under contract.*<br>
> <br>
> *The new group has briefed members of the U.S. Congress and hopes to prompt<br>
> the Internet Society to reconsider the sale. But its best shot at stopping<br>
> the pending sale lies with ICANN, which can veto any change in ownership<br>
> out of concern for the security, reliability or stability of the .org<br>
> domain.*<br>
> <br>
> Best wishes,<br>
> <br>
> *WISDOM DONKOR*<br>
> President & CEO<br>
> Africa Open Data and Internet Research Foundation<br>
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