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<p>Hi Bruna and Louise,</p>
<p>Tx you for your work! May I suggest another bullet to the
"Evolution of the MS Model" section Q1 -- "why now?" In a world
where everyone working on Multistakeholder Policy is beyond busy,
beyond committed and beyond overbooked, why are we engaged in the
proceeding right now? We have 2 huge PDP Working Groups meeting
weekly and one EPDP spending enormous amounts of time. What more
can the community handle? It hardly seems fair to ask people to
look at the "forest" when we are so involved with the "trees."
Isn't this very proceeding evidence of the concerns of
overburdening the volunteer community -- and how can we push it to
a later date? <br>
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<p>I note with comment deadline already extended, ICANN has only
received 5 comments in this proceeding. The Community is full
booked -- how do we postpone this process?</p>
<p>Best and tx,<br>
Kathy<br>
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<div>Thank you very much for the suggestions shared on this
thread. <a class="gmail_plusreply" id="plusReplyChip-0"
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on the following talking points/questions for the upcoming
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thank the efforts dedicated throughout ICANN 63 and 64 to
gather inputs from the community. However, after having
reviewed the outcome, that is, the issues list circulated
with the evolution of the MSH model, we would like to know
two things:</p>
- How do you see the effectiveness of the model going
forward? What is the understanding of "effectiveness" we are
actually aiming at here?<br>
- How do you see the next steps? <br>
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<div>Best, </div>
<div>Bruna Santos</div>
<div>NCUC Chair </div>
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<div>Thanks Bruna.</div>
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<div>I would like to go back to the MSH model discussion
and add another point to Tanya's suggestion. </div>
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One of the things that is still unclear is how this MSH
governance will go forward. As the Issues List document
suggests, the "ICANN Board posed questions to the ICANN
community at ICANN63 about how the multistakeholder
model can be made more effective without compromising
our bottom-up and inclusive decision-making process". In
addition to the concerns over the "reform before
implementation", it would be helpful to hear from Goran
how he sees the next steps (structuration of the work
plan for this strategic objective#2) and what is the
understanding of "effectiveness" we're aiming for here.
Defining an issues list and developing a work plan does
not directly translate into the path towards making
governance more effective. </div>
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<div>Just with regard to ATRT3 - there's not a whole
lot to report back on at the moment in order to
inform this conversation, since we're only a few
weeks in, are still wrapping up the scoping stage,
so there hasn't been a lot of progress in diving
into the review itself. However, I would note that
implementation of previous reviews is something
we're meant to be looking at fairly closely, and I
think that would be a good area to raise with the
CEO directly as well, as that ties nicely back to
the original issue as Tatiana framed it, especially
around where recommendations don't get implemented,
or get dragged out for years, or otherwise meet
forms of institutional resistance.</div>
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<div>Happy to chat further.</div>
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<div>Michael</div>
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at 3:59 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Tanya,
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<div>Thank you for your email, I was already
considering including this topic in my talking
points as in the previous call NCUC had with
Goran we talked a bit about his views about this
consultation/moment. </div>
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<div>At the moment, both me and Lou referenced
Stephanies conversation with him about the role
of CS within ICANN, as well as if the MS model
could be improved and NCUC role in all these
discussions. To this question, he replied by
mentioning that his work has always been related
to "<i>strengthen and improve relations with
civil society groups. And that he felt that
this was demonstrated with ICANN’s work around
developing the Temp Spec. ICANN’s previous
discussions with the Community led him to
speak to the Data Protection Authorities
(DPAs), which resulted in the Temp Spec’s
Calzone model.</i>" - He used the GDPR
discussion as a silver lining to mention that he
did not wish for policy discussions at icann to
be one-sided and that it was his job to ensure
any conversation included civil society. </div>
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<div>Back at this call he also mentioned the
upcoming session in kobe about the evolution of
ICANN’s multistakeholder model and encouraged
our participation on it. Additionally he
mentioned that <i>"without Civil Society
groups, and without At-Large, ICANN would be a
trade organization and the multistakeholder
model would not exist in its current form."</i>
Unfortunately the timing of the above mentioned
call, which happened prior to Japan, was
unfortunate and only allowed an introductory
conversation on this. But given that NCSG is
writing a comment on this issue, I would be more
than happy to bring the views submitted at the
comment or AOBs regarding to this discussion. <br>
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<div>I also agree about the ongoing and unfinished
processes going on at the community and would
like to shine a light on this topic, maybe <a
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Karanicolas</a> could also help elaborate smth
here with some insight from the ATRT3 team ?
Additionally, it would be great to bring input
on HRs here too considering that<a
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just published its first HRIA</a>. </div>
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<div>I am open to whatever suggestion our
membership has! <br>
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Thanks again for the input, Tatiana! </div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Bruna <br>
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<p>Hi Bruna and all,</p>
<p>We did discuss this on the NCSG level, but
might be worth to suggest bringing this from
the NCUC perspective as well - I will leave
it to you and to the membership to decide
how worth this topic would be for chair's
meeting with ICANN CEO. </p>
<p>So the issue is the following. There have
been concerns expressed by our members (both
NCUC and NCSG) about the work on the
so-called evolution of multi-stakeholder
model. I personally -- and I believe I am
not alone -- would really like to have some
more clarity as to how this work correlates
with other processes and how we ensure that
it doesn't harm or duplicate the on-going
work by the ICANN community, especially on
accountability. This work on evolving MS
model has started while there are some
processes on reforming ICANN has not been
finished due to various reasons, including
resource allocation: for example, there is
community developed recommendations for WS2
accountability, including accountability of
AC/SOs, Human Rights Core value, still not
adopted, and we are still not even near the
implementation and the timeline is not
clear, let alone the required resources.
There is ATRT3 work going on, there is PDP
3.0 implementation work of the GNSO council,
so how the work on the evolving model
correlates with all this, especially
accountability, in terms of resources and
efforts? Are we trying to reform something
before even implementing the set of reforms
that are already on the table and waiting to
be implemented? <br>
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<p>This would be my suggestion.</p>
<p>Warm regards,</p>
<p>Tanya <br>
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<div>On June 12 I will have a call with
ICANN's CEO and if theres any suggestion
of topics that could added to the
agenda, I would really much appreciate
it. <br>
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Are there any questions NCUC would like
to ask ICANN org ? PDPs,
budgets/resources allocation ? <br>
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<div>Please write back in case you wish to
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