<div dir="auto">@Bruna, very well stated and explained. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">Peter</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 3:58 AM Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear all, <div><br></div><div>Thank you very much for the suggestions shared on this thread. <a class="gmail_plusreply" id="m_-5495813221713505734plusReplyChip-0" href="mailto:louise.marie.hsd@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@Louise Marie Hurel</a> and I worked on the following talking points/questions for the upcoming NCUC meeting with the CEO: <br>------<br><span id="m_-5495813221713505734gmail-docs-internal-guid-9ad821d9-7fff-17f2-9cc0-5c1473268379"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:700;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Evolution of the MS Model </span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Q1: </span>We thank the efforts dedicated throughout ICANN 63 and 64 to gather inputs from the community. However, after having reviewed the outcome, that is, the issues list circulated with the evolution of the MSH model, we would like to know two things:</p>- How do you see the effectiveness of the model going forward? What is the understanding of "effectiveness" we are actually aiming at here?<br>- How do you see the next steps? <br><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Q2: How do we ensure that the current evaluation on the evolution of the MSH model doesn't harm or duplicate the on-going work by the ICANN community, especially on accountability?</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:700;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:700;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Budget allocation</span></p><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Q3: We know that for some parts of this community, NCUC/NCSG is not seen as the exclusive voice representing Civil Society within the ICANN Multistakeholder model. But we cannot ignore that this stakeholder group and its constituencies have played a major role in ensuring that the non-commercial perspectives are conveyed within the GNSO PDPs. Still, this part of this community continues to face cuts in the budget allocated to us - our ABRs are not seen as priorities and we are often forced outsource in order to ensure our members attendance to meetings while other constituencies are securing budget to additional travel slots and outreaches. Therefore we ask: how do you see the sustainability of our stakeholder group vis à vis the ongoing cuts on resource allocation (i.e. ABR) to our groups? We would like to better understand the perceptions and expectations, as it is quite challenging to understand the criteria through which our requests are evaluated. </span></p></span>----</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best, </div><div>Bruna Santos</div><div>NCUC Chair </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 3 juin 2019 à 18:36, Louise Marie Hurel <<a href="mailto:louise.marie.hsd@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">louise.marie.hsd@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>Thanks Bruna.</div><div><br></div><div>I would like to go back to the MSH model discussion and add another point to Tanya's suggestion. </div><div><br></div>One of the things that is still unclear is how this MSH governance will go forward. As the Issues List document suggests, the "ICANN Board posed questions to the ICANN community at ICANN63 about how the multistakeholder model can be made more effective without compromising our bottom-up and inclusive decision-making process". In addition to the concerns over the "reform before implementation", it would be helpful to hear from Goran how he sees the next steps (structuration of the work plan for this strategic objective#2) and what is the understanding of "effectiveness" we're aiming for here. Defining an issues list and developing a work plan does not directly translate into the path towards making governance more effective. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>All the best, </div><div dir="ltr"><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_-5495813221713505734gmail-m_8130401284134686394gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000"><b>Louise Marie Hurel</b></font></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><font face="Arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><span style="font-size:11px">Research and Project Development Cybersecurity and Digital Liberties Programme | Igarapé Institute</span></font></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Louise_Marie_Hurel/publications" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><font size="1">Publications</font></a></p><div><font size="1" color="#000000">Skype: louise.dias</font></div><div><font color="#000000" size="1"><span><a href="mailto:louise@igarape.org.br" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">louise@igarape.org.br</a></span></font></div><div><font size="1" color="#444444"><a href="mailto:louise.marie.hsd@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">louise.marie.hsd@gmail.com</a> </font></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 29 May 2019 at 21:39, Michael Karanicolas <<a href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mkaranicolas@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>Just with regard to ATRT3 - there's not a whole lot to report back on at the moment in order to inform this conversation, since we're only a few weeks in, are still wrapping up the scoping stage, so there hasn't been a lot of progress in diving into the review itself. However, I would note that implementation of previous reviews is something we're meant to be looking at fairly closely, and I think that would be a good area to raise with the CEO directly as well, as that ties nicely back to the original issue as Tatiana framed it, especially around where recommendations don't get implemented, or get dragged out for years, or otherwise meet forms of institutional resistance.</div><div><br></div><div>Happy to chat further.</div><div><br></div><div>Michael</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 3:59 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear Tanya, <div><br></div><div>Thank you for your email, I was already considering including this topic in my talking points as in the previous call NCUC had with Goran we talked a bit about his views about this consultation/moment. </div><div><br></div><div>At the moment, both me and Lou referenced Stephanies conversation with him about the role of CS within ICANN, as well as if the MS model could be improved and NCUC role in all these discussions. To this question, he replied by mentioning that his work has always been related to "<i>strengthen and improve relations with civil society groups. And that he felt that this was demonstrated with ICANN’s work around developing the Temp Spec. ICANN’s previous discussions with the Community led him to speak to the Data Protection Authorities (DPAs), which resulted in the Temp Spec’s Calzone model.</i>" - He used the GDPR discussion as a silver lining to mention that he did not wish for policy discussions at icann to be one-sided and that it was his job to ensure any conversation included civil society. </div><div><br></div><div>Back at this call he also mentioned the upcoming session in kobe about the evolution of ICANN’s multistakeholder model and encouraged our participation on it. Additionally he mentioned that <i>"without Civil Society groups, and without At-Large, ICANN would be a trade organization and the multistakeholder model would not exist in its current form."</i> Unfortunately the timing of the above mentioned call, which happened prior to Japan, was unfortunate and only allowed an introductory conversation on this. But given that NCSG is writing a comment on this issue, I would be more than happy to bring the views submitted at the comment or AOBs regarding to this discussion. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I also agree about the ongoing and unfinished processes going on at the community and would like to shine a light on this topic, maybe <a class="gmail_plusreply" id="m_-5495813221713505734gmail-m_8130401284134686394gmail-m_7040620245092415481gmail-m_1344481218329288020plusReplyChip-0" href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@Michael Karanicolas</a> could also help elaborate smth here with some insight from the ATRT3 team ? Additionally, it would be great to bring input on HRs here too considering that<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2019-05-15-en" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"> ICANN just published its first HRIA</a>. </div><div><br></div><div>I am open to whatever suggestion our membership has! <br><br>Thanks again for the input, Tatiana! </div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Bruna <br><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 29 mai 2019 à 15:14, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <<a href="mailto:t.tropina@mpicc.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">t.tropina@mpicc.de</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Bruna and all,</p>
<p>We did discuss this on the NCSG level, but might be worth to
suggest bringing this from the NCUC perspective as well - I will
leave it to you and to the membership to decide how worth this
topic would be for chair's meeting with ICANN CEO. </p>
<p>So the issue is the following. There have been concerns expressed
by our members (both NCUC and NCSG) about the work on the
so-called evolution of multi-stakeholder model. I personally --
and I believe I am not alone -- would really like to have some
more clarity as to how this work correlates with other processes
and how we ensure that it doesn't harm or duplicate the on-going
work by the ICANN community, especially on accountability. This
work on evolving MS model has started while there are some
processes on reforming ICANN has not been finished due to various
reasons, including resource allocation: for example, there is
community developed recommendations for WS2 accountability,
including accountability of AC/SOs, Human Rights Core value, still
not adopted, and we are still not even near the implementation and
the timeline is not clear, let alone the required resources. There
is ATRT3 work going on, there is PDP 3.0 implementation work of
the GNSO council, so how the work on the evolving model correlates
with all this, especially accountability, in terms of resources
and efforts? Are we trying to reform something before even
implementing the set of reforms that are already on the table and
waiting to be implemented? <br>
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<p>This would be my suggestion.</p>
<p>Warm regards,</p>
<p>Tanya <br>
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<div>On June 12 I will have a call with ICANN's CEO and if
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Are there any questions NCUC would like to ask ICANN org ?
PDPs, budgets/resources allocation ? <br>
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<div>Please write back in case you wish to suggest anything. </div>
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