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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I agree, a sum like that seems modest and if a success we can always apply next year to boost it.</font></font></p>
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<div dir="ltr">I see, thanks for that. Well, "we do our own research" as long as we actually have people doing research. Such is not the case, it's not like we're swimming in volunteer-hours. So I'd support adding that, even more so for the purposes that you
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<div>As for the other one, I also get your point. It's sure that pure discretionary budget would get nowhere, but that is not what is in question here. Assuming there would be consensus for the idea, asking does not cost, so we can always try your rationale
and see how far it fares ;) Maybe a smaller amount, asked for the purposes of a few years' worth of work, would seem less threatening? If total budget is 285k/y, 2.5% would correspond to 7k/y, 21k over 3y, which could be small enough.</div>
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<div>There was a debate on this issue roughly two years ago, and a year before that too. In essence, the Commercial Stakeholder Group accepts funding from ICANN org to use consultants to supplement their research, but we are too proud. In the past, questions
have been asked along the lines of, 'Why do we even exist if we cannot do our own research?' I happen to disagree with this view.<br>
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<div>As for the Fund, I was thinking it would be good to have this resource just there in case we had a need for it in the future; I would certainly hope we would not exhaust it immediately. I would also be reluctant to elaborate on what projects we'd be looking
to fund. We want some independence here; sadly, I doubt the research we should be supporting is anything that aligns with the ICANN executive team's view of the world.<br>
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<div>James: Why would we not get the ABR for the consultant if we ask again? Could you elaborate more on that? I think this idea is focused, narrow and useful enough to get approved. Now I have no idea in ICANN's world what a .5FTE amounts to. <<br>
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<div>I think your second idea Ayden is interesting as well, but given deadlines now it might be worthwhile to flesh it out more for a next round (hopefully before next year, but I suppose not...?) I think that we would need actual examples of research or advocacy
work we want to get done if we are to get any money.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 6:51 PM Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Could it be useful to request the support of a 0.5 FTE policy consultant (of the NCSG's choosing), to support our ongoing policy development activities? I am thinking of someone to document past NCSG policy positions by creating an archived and searchable
observatory of past NCSG, NCUC, and NPOC statements, and to engage in policy research activities in areas where volunteer burn-out has us stretched to capacity.<br>
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<div>Good idea, but we will not get it as we rejected the concept before (A huge mistep by us IMO)<br>
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<div>In addition, could we perhaps ask for a modest, one-off contribution of $50,000 to 'kick start' a Stakeholder Group Support Fund, given we have established over the past week on our list that the NCSG has no money. I would suggest that we would only use
this Support Fund to support our advocacy work and independent research on the DNS, and we would cap spend at max. $20k/year, and that it would not be used to fund travel.<br>
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<div>I think that a more specific version of this could be useful, it needs to be for a specific reason however, a “to do what we want with” won’t get approved IMO.<br>
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<div>Just a quick reminder that the NCUC EC will be receiving Additional Budget Requests suggestions up until tomorrow <b>14th Jan, noon (utc). </b><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Em sex, 11 de jan de 2019 às 16:37, Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br>
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<div>ICANN Org is receiving additional Budget Requests until Jan 15th. Therefore NCUC Leadership would like to welcome your suggestions and ideas on possible submissions. <br>
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<div>Given that the deadline for submission to ICANN is 15th Jan, <b>we would like to set an internal deadline for constituency discussion/receiving of proposals until the 14th Jan, noon (utc). I would also welcome any volunteers to help drafting requests. </b><br>
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<div>Please note <span>that the budget requests being accepted now are for the fiscal year 2020 (which I believe runs 1 July 2019 to 30 June 2020). Also bear in mind that in light of some budget cuts being proposed/performed by ICANN org, our requests should
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<div><span>Last but not least, for ease of reference, all the FY19 Approved <span>ABRs</span> are uploaded here: </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/zodHBQ" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/x/zodHBQ</a><br>
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