<div dir="ltr">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>It is my understanding that there are disagreements over both the "legality" (note the """") of holding several positions within the NCSG/NCUC/NPOC and the wiseness of it, and for the latter both in absolute terms and in relative terms (so related to David's work and accumulation of positions) </div><div><br></div><div>Yet I feel like the discussions over the number of positions one can have is not what is really at stake here, but more the fact that someone who, according to some, has not achieved much can get elected (and in this case, not to one position, but to many.) Farzaneh, Ayden and others; feel free to correct me. This might have more to do with how aware members are of their "leaders'" achievements, than how many positions one can hold. And I think there could be improvements as to how such information is disseminated before the election. I found it rather difficult to trace down statements, and they were not at all standardized as to their contents, which did not make it easier. </div><div><br></div><div><div>This is obviously frustrating for those who hold the aforementioned view (and for now I reserve my judgment,) but I am doubtful as to how statements, as a general and particular procedure, would change anything to the situation or other such situations which may arise. In a way, I see the current situation in part attributable to having elections on the basis of a relatively open membership.</div></div><div><br></div><div>I do get that limiting the number of positions one can hold is a good way to mitigate the issue. I think I would be in favour of such a measure; it should be further discussed in any case. </div><div><br></div><div>The only certainty I have in the current case is that out of fairness, it should not be possible to pile up travel grants by virtue of holding multiple positions. Again, I do not know whether this has occurred or is occuring in our present case. </div><div><br></div><div>And what I understand here as "piling up" is not having several opportunities to obtain travel funds for one given meeting, but actually obtaining more than "one" allocation of travel funds through the multiple hats or getting travel funds more often than others just by virtue of holding several positions. I do not know what coordinating mechanisms there are between NCSG/NPOC/NCUC as far as travel grants are concerned, and whether there are rules as to "who pays" (or who <i>should </i>pay) for people with multiple hats, but that is also something that could and should be discussed. </div><div><br></div><div>The baseline should be: the <i>number </i>of positions you hold beyond the first one has no bearing on whether you get travel funds, how much travel funds you get and how often you get travel funds.</div><div><i><br></i></div><div>Best regards, </div><div><i> </i></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 6:59 PM Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Thank you for highlighting this, Farzaneh. </div>
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<div>Speaking as an NCUC member I am greatly concerned by this "position shopping." It does not serve us well to have the one person serving in so many leadership positions concurrently; and as I have said before, I think it shows a lack of
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<div>I would like to ask David, if he accepts this seat, to make a commitment not to use any NCUC travel resources during his term. We have precious limited resources within the NCUC and I would like to see these resources allocated to our members
with no other ICANN-related commitments. If David has four leadership roles, he has ample opportunity elsewhere to fund his travel to ICANN meetings. </div>
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<div>I think this is a most reasonable request. </div>
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<div>In addition, I understand David is on the leadership team of the RDS PDP WG which, while currently dormant, may come back to life in the near future. This would be a fifth leadership position for David — in addition to being an NCSG alternate to the EPDP.
David has only been on one of the 17 EPDP calls so far, and I note this intentionally: we need people to do the work and not just to collect titles. </div>
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<div>I think it’s fair to say David is stretched pretty thin at the moment; but that doesn’t mean the NCUC can only have a part-time ExCom representative. We need someone representing us professionally and intelligently every day. </div>
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</div>On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 00:43, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">There is nothing in the two Constituencies’ or the NCSG’s Charters that speak to this situation at all. Similarly, the overall GNSO Operating Procedures are silent on the matter (as are the ICANN Bylaws). What the two Constituencies’ Charters do seem to contemplate, however, is the need to avoid actual or potential conflicts of interest, e.g.: <i>"The standards for performing the duties of NCUC leadership positions include impartiality, accountability, and avoidance of conflicts of interest"</i> (from the NCUC Charter) and <i>"The standards for leadership positions including impartiality, accountability, and avoidance (or disclosure and members’ consent) of potential conflicts of interest" </i>(from the NPOC Charter, which goes on to provide that <i>"All officers have a duty to perform their roles with diligence and loyalty to the NPOC, and … shall promptly notify the EC, and Constituency Members, of any potential conflict of interest that may arise during their term")</i>.</span>
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