<html><head></head><body><div class="">Hi Thato,</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">I do not agree with framing legitimate questions as personal attacks. </div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">We are not a social club; we are a membership of individuals and organisations with a common interest in protecting non-commercial use of the DNS.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Some of the issues we discuss are contentious. Our disagreements are never personal, they are on substance on urgent issues that impact either the NCSG or the DNS.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">No NCSG member should fear being criticised; but they should be prepared to defend their positions, especially if they are in a leadership role.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">As you may notice, I only ask questions and request a response from those who are serving us in leadership roles. In this thread, for instance, Renata might not answer my questions, but they are legitimate, and I think it is right that the NCUC Chair and the elected members of the Executive Committee be open to scrutiny over their actions.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Thato, the issue here is resources. I'd have hoped that as the Chair of the Finance Committee you'd have noticed that we are about to reject $100k that with a little imagination could be put towards internal capacity development.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">If anyone considers this thread "a slaughter house or a hostile environment", my response would be to consider this preparation for joining your first ICANN working group. Tough questions have to be asked; and getting answers can take a remarkable amount of follow-up.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Best wishes,</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Ayden Férdeline</div><div> <br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 29 Aug 2018, at 16:11, Thato Mfikwe <<a href="mailto:thatomfikwe@gmail.com" class="">thatomfikwe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Hi Farzi, hi all,<br class=""/></div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Following the discussion, and based on your last comment. <br class=""/></div><div class="">How do you think this kind of engagement amongst leaders is helping new comers engage on the mailing list and participate in PDPs and activities because the way communication is carried out at times on the mailing list, someone would swear that it is a slaughter house or a hostile environment of people who dislike or disapprove with each other.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">This engagement style you claim to have with Ayden has potential to alienate new comers from participating due to fear of being critisized, so I personally beg to differ, all members and leaders must respect each other and use the right tome in their messages, because some messages that go through the mailing list, to me seems like personal attacks.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">For example, the exchange between Arsene and Ayden on the mailing list. Something needs to be done to remedy this before NCUC turns into a war zone or battle of egos, thanks.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Thato Mfikwe.<br class=""/></div><div class="">Thato Mfikwe.<br class=""/></div></div><br class=""/><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:58 PM farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" class="">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Ayden and I don't work on NCSG stuff to just tone it down. We argue, criticize each other and resolve issues and move on. We don't frame everything as personsl attacks. It hampers freedom of speech. </div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""/></div><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Members that lose interest in NCSG because we openly criticize are probably not interested in ncsg in the first place. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""/></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""/></div><br class=""/><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 6:51 AM Wisdom Donkor <<a href="mailto:wisdom.dk@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">wisdom.dk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">Wow wow wow, NCSG is becoming interesting and something else.<div class="">The personal attacks are becoming something else oooooo. It looks like we are not setting good example for others to follow. </div><div class="">Is about time we put aside personal issues and discuss holistically in other to get consensus. We need to learn how to say sorry </div><div class="">sometimes when one is wrong and try to move on as one family. </div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">If this kinds of personal attacks continues, members will begin to lose interest in NCSG and its activities.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Ayden and Farzaneh please tone down a bit and lets toast a drink together as one family.</div><div class=""> <br class=""/><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class=""><br clear="all" class=""/><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-size:small" class=""><div class=""><b class="">WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.)</b><br class=""/></div><div class=""><u class=""><b class="">Africa Open Data and Internet Research Foundation (Co-Founder)</b></u></div><div class=""><font size="1" class="">E-government, Internet Governance & Open Government Data and platforms Specialist<b class=""><br class=""/></b></font></div><div class=""><font size="1" class="">ICANN Fellow / UN IGF MAG Member, ISOC Member,<br class=""/></font></div><div class=""><font size="1" class="">Freedom Online Coalition (FOC) Member, Diplo Foundation Member,</font></div><div class=""><font size="1" class="">OGP Open Data WG Member, GODAN Member. </font></div></div><div style="font-size:small" class=""><font size="1" class="">National SDG's data Roadmaps Advisory Board Member, Ghana</font></div><div style="font-size:small" class=""><font size="1" class="">National Secretariat Manager, IT Association of Ghana (ITAG)</font></div><div style="font-size:small" class=""><font size="1" class="">Ghana Energy Data Task-force Member</font></div><div style="font-size:small" class=""><font size="1" class="">Ghana OGP Advisory Committee Member</font></div><div style="font-size:small" class=""><div class=""><font size="1" class="">Email: <a href="mailto:wisdom.dk@gmail.com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank" class="">wisdom.dk@gmail.com</a></font></div><div class=""><font size="1" class="">Skype: wisdom_dk</font></div><div class=""><font size="1" class="">facebook: Kwasi Wisdom <br class=""/></font></div><div class=""><font size="1" class="">Linkdin: Kwasi Wisdom</font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""/></div></div></div></div><br class=""/><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 8:55 AM Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div class="">Hi Farzaneh,</div><div class=""><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">It is not true that NCSG did not have a position on this. It did have a position and we asked Ayden to change the paragraph in budget public comment to convey that but he decided to delete it and we did not pay attention. </div></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""/></div></div></div>I did not respond to this baseless allegation the previous two times you made it, but if you insist on repeating it, I have little choice but to respond.<div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class=""><u class="">This is untrue. The NCSG did not have such a position.</u> <i class="">You</i> had a personal objection to the Intersessional, but that alone does not make it an NCSG position. On the Google Doc for the budget comment numerous individuals expressed support for the Intersessional (substantially more than opposed it, which was three from memory). So there was no clear consensus either in support of, or in opposition to, the continuation of the Intersessional.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">In addition, there have been numerous threads on the NCSG and NCUC mailing lists over the past five years where individuals have made compelling cases for the Intersessional. <a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-discuss/2016-October/019318.html" target="_blank" class="">Take this one, for instance.</a> It is simply not true to say that the NCSG had a position here, and to suggest I somehow sabotaged it is laughable. If you look at the threads on our list, I think an objective observer would say, more people support the Intersessional than don't.<br class=""/><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Finally, this is the NCUC list, Farzaneh. I did not bring up this issue on the NCSG list asking for a response from the NCSG Chair. Rather, as an NCUC member myself, I asked the NCUC Chair and her Executive Committee to justify their actions <i class="">as they negatively impact NCUC members.</i> The catalyst for my question was the NCUC Chair stating she would speak to the CEO about building our capacity development, when pre-approved resources which could be re-purposed for capacity development are being rejected with no justification.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This really won't affect me personally, I only wanted to save the volunteers time and energy. </div></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">This also does not impact me personally. I am busy enough at the moment. But having been fortunate enough to participate in two Intersessionals, I know how important this forum is and strongly believe other NCUC members should be able to participate in it. To shut the door to others on something I have personally benefited from, well, I won’t do it. As past delegates we have a duty to improve the Intersessional where it needs improving, not to harm the NCUC by rejecting a core item in the budget. And given how difficult it is for something to progress from being a pilot program to a core budget item should also say something about how important it is perceived by other Stakeholder Groups and by ICANN org.</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Kind regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">Ayden Férdeline</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""/><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 29 Aug 2018, at 09:17, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182Apple-interchange-newline"/><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Stephanie </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I find your email utterly offensive. This was not a decision that was discussed last minute. It was something we discussed over and over during my term before I even decided to step down (in February). It is not true that NCSG did not have a position on this. It did have a position and we asked Ayden to change the paragraph in budget public comment to convey that but he decided to delete it and we did not pay attention. I am always for consulting with members and have included them in decision making as much as I could any attempt to imply otherwise is just unfair. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">But I guess it's easy to criticize. We have an expression that says this camel will sleep at your door too. It will. In fact this camel sleeps at every chair's door. [of course the Middle Eastener has a camel in the expression]</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This really won't affect me personally, I only wanted to save the volunteers time and energy. But let the travel circus continue its missionless intersessionals. We can discuss this on NCSG mailing list or simply leave it and see what CSG says.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Farzaneh<br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I have pasted the discussions for others to know:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" class="">--------- Forwarded message ---------<br class=""/>From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Ayden Férdeline</strong> <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span><br class=""/>Date: Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 3:57 AM<br class=""/>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft] Proposed NCSG Comment on the FY19 Budget<br class=""/>To: Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br class=""/>Cc: <a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank" class=""><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-il">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</span></a> <<a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank" class=""><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-il">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</span></a>>, Milton Mueller <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank" class="">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br class=""/></div><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""/><br style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""/><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Thanks for your comments on the Budget in the Google Doc, Rafik; I've replied directly and done my best to resolve your concerns. In particular please note the re-worded paragraph # 9 (constituency travellers). I'll put your question in #6 to Xavier on Monday when the [GNSO Council] Standing Committee on Budget and Operations has its next call with Finance.<br class=""/></div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""/></div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" class="">I have now removed the paragraph about the Intersessional, as perhaps it is better to be silent here rather than to praise something which may not have widespread support. This year's Intersessional was a trainwreck but I do think this is a disaster we have to own. Last year's Intersessional was brilliant. What was the difference? It wasn't content (as you said Rafik, the content rarely changes), but I do think it was the participant mix. Our 'side' was too silent at this year's meeting and we didn't have enough strong voices to counter the perspectives being shared by the CSG. When I think back to Reykjavik, I remember how great it was having Kathy and others engaging in real debates with the CSG. I didn't see enough of that this year; I cannot even think of any action items that came out of the forum. With the suggestion circulating (at least during the Council's Strategic Planning Session) that we may need to go down from 3 to 2 ICANN public meetings per year for budgetary reasons, and may want to tie a Council meeting in with the GDD Summit, I am reluctant to relinquish any support allocated to us that has made the core budget. But perhaps we could advocate tying the Intersessional in with the GDD Summit, an idea floated last year? I could see real benefits to that; on some issues, the contracted parties are our allies...<br class=""/></div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""/></div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" class="">Another thing: the Additional Budget Requests (ABRs). I made the point in this comment that I think it is wrong to cut this community support, because I feel very strongly that to make small cuts here which impact us, without tackling structural issues where the real costs lie, is the wrong approach. But how on earth could we expect ICANN to approve some of them? Some which 'we' submitted are genuinely embarrassing and would be an inappropriate use of funds if approved. I have not said anything on the main mailing list BUT ones like this, i.e. an <a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/2018-February/008789.html" title="https://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/2018-February/008789.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="">NCUC board game</a>, should never have been submitted (in my opinion) and harm our reputation. Their submission was an Executive decision made without public consultation on the discussion list. I don't want this to sound like an attack against anyone, as that is not my intention, but I think we need to do some kind of internal reflection before submitting requests. This request for a board game will be seen by the entire community, will be mocked, and let's be real, won't be approved (nor should it!). Why do this to our reputation?<br class=""/></div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624protonmail_signature_block" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624protonmail_signature_block-user"><div class="">Ayden <br class=""/></div></div><div class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624protonmail_signature_block-proton m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br class=""/></div></div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" class=""><br class=""/></div><div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" class="">-------- Original Message --------<br class=""/></div><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-im" style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="">On 9 February 2018 8:07 AM, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""/></div><div class=""><br class=""/></div></span><blockquote class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624protonmail_quote" type="cite" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra">Hi Ayden,<br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_extra">thanks for the draft which is coming at a good time and allow us to work on it without pressure,<br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="">about the intercessional which is a separate topic not necessarily related to the budget, I am for an evaluation and assessment. I am not that convinced that issues were a matter of planning. The content is almost the same every year, just with small changes of few topics. I think after 5 years or more, it is a good time to review and think about improvement. I believe our CSG friends will be open and welcome that. Organizing it every other year can provide that opportunity and possibility for real change. <br class=""/></div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">I will review the budget and add my comments there.<br class=""/></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">2018-02-09 6:21 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<br class=""/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="">I think this year's Intersessional was unsuccessful, partially because of insufficient planning on our part, as well as the wrong delegates being in attendance. But I do think the concept itself is a good one and one which should continue. I am happy to remove this paragraph from the document altogether, however, if we do not have a common agreement on their value. I don't think it ranks among our most pressing concerns!<br class=""/></div><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624HOEnZb m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624im"><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429protonmail_signature_block-user"><div class="">Ayden <br class=""/></div></div><div class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429protonmail_signature_block-empty m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429protonmail_signature_block-proton"><br class=""/></div></div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="">-------- Original Message --------<br class=""/></div></span><div class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624HOEnZb"><div class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624h5"><div class="">On 8 February 2018 10:14 PM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <<a href="mailto:t.tropina@mpicc.de" target="_blank" class="">t.tropina@mpicc.de</a>> wrote:<br class=""/></div><div class=""><br class=""/></div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429protonmail_quote"><p class="">I am one of those who questions the value of the intersessionals.<br class=""/></p><p class="">I won't support continuing them every year. Every other year is a compromise I can accept.<br class=""/></p><p class="">Cheers,<br class=""/></p><p class="">Tanya <br class=""/></p><div class=""><br class=""/></div><div class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429moz-cite-prefix">On 08/02/18 20:14, Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br class=""/></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt">Ayden</span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt">I’ve had a chance to read your comments and congratulate you on doing so much work to go through the budget and prepare an intelligent evaluation of it.</span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt">I agree with most of the comments but propose a few minor amendments here and there, which I will put onto the Google doc using suggest mode.</span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt">The only point of disagreement is #17 your support for continued intersessionals. I don’t think there is consensus on that and in fact after the last one I heard several people who supported them question their value or frequency. A good middle ground might be to have them once every other year.</span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt">Anyway, I’ll enter my comments on the doc.</span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt">Dr. Milton L Mueller</span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt">Professor, <span id="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624TSRSpan_32" class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624TSRSpan"><img class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624TSRWebRatingIcon" style="width:16px;height:16px;border:0px"/></span><a href="http://spp.gatech.edu/" style="background-color:rgb(184,234,184)" target="_blank" class=""><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">School of Public Policy</span></a></span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p 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class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624TSRSpan"><img class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624TSRWebRatingIcon" style="width:16px;height:16px;border:0px"/></span><a href="http://internetgovernance.org/" style="background-color:rgb(184,234,184)" target="_blank" class=""><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">http://internetgovernance.org/</span></a></span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span 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class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span><br class=""/></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span><br class=""/></p><div style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1.5pt solid blue;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt" class=""><div class=""><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt">From:</span></span></b><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624font" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624size" style="font-size:11pt"> Ayden Férdeline [<a class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">mailto:icann@ferdeline.com</a>] <br class=""/><b class="">Sent:</b> Thursday, February 8, 2018 7:27 AM<br class=""/><b class="">To:</b> ncsg-pc <a class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank"><ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is></a>; Mueller, Milton L <a class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank"><milton@gatech.edu></a>; <a class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:crg@ISOC-CR.ORG" target="_blank">crg@ISOC-CR.ORG</a>; <a class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@REDBRANCHCONSULTING.COM" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@REDBRANCHCONSULTING.COM</a>; Corinne Cath <a class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182gmail-m_-3341309525849440029gmail-m_-8325018172509127624m_-5675982007964337429moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:corinnecath@gmail.com" target="_blank"><corinnecath@gmail.com></a><br class=""/><b class="">Subject:</b> [Draft] Proposed NCSG Comment on the FY19 Budget</span></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br class=""/></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<br class=""/></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"> <br class=""/></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I have prepared a first draft of a proposed NCSG comment on the FY19 budget. This took quite some time to comb through, and I might have missed some things. So before I share this comment on the main discussion list and face the inevitable wrath of criticism and dislike, I thought I might share it here to get some initial feedback. I have also cc'd in a few other people who might not be on this mailing list but who I think might be able to offer some constructive edits on its contents: <br class=""/></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"> <br class=""/></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tBia4z5QQFGz9vFUQUkS0lbZNqU6C5n4pyUmlH3m8e8/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank" class="">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tBia4z5QQFGz9vFUQUkS0lbZNqU6C5n4pyUmlH3m8e8/edit?usp=sharing</a><br class=""/></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"> <br class=""/></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks for your help,<br class=""/></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"> <br class=""/></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Ayden<br class=""/></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"> <br class=""/></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">P.S. Carlos, if one sentence looks familiar, it's because I copied and pasted it from an email you sent to the NCSG list last year re: our Reserve Fund comment. I hope this is okay. Thanks!</p></div></div></div></blockquote></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""/></div><br class=""/><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:55 AM Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank" class="">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br class=""/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class=""><font size="+1" class=""><font face="Lucida Grande" class="">The principle is the
following, in my view: outgoing council and chair should not
make decisions for incoming, when they will not be there in
office (i.e. to do the work. They should consult. If it is
too late to change this decision, I can assure you that next
year, I will consult the incoming folks to get their views.</font></font></p><p class=""><font size="+1" class=""><font face="Lucida Grande" class="">As Ayden says,
forfeiting such a large budget amount is a pity. We could
have figured out how to make it useful.</font></font></p><p class=""><font size="+1" class=""><font face="Lucida Grande" class="">Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br class=""/>
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<div class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182m_3269951236525939684m_5770696737422244062moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-08-28 23:23, Mueller, Milton L
wrote:<br class=""/>
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<div class="m_7909902106253505357m_2170559023181754688m_2983659691069356182m_3269951236525939684m_5770696737422244062WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">Hi,
Ayden<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">I
don’t agree with this:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_7909902106253505357_m_2170559023181754688_m_2983659691069356182_m_3269951236525939684_m_5770696737422244062__MailEndCompose" class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></a></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">At stake here is also the principle of
membership consultation. The NCUC Executive Committee, as
evidenced on its list, has decided to reject the funding
for an Intersessional in 2019
<i class="">without first consulting with NCUC members. </i>This
is unacceptable.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">It’s
perfectly acceptable to me. The NCUC EC is there precisely
to make executive decisions that the general membership is
in no position to make, or could not make in a reasonable
period of time, or has no knowledge about. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">Intersessionals
are a resource allocation issue. They require tons of work
and time commitments from the EC and the Chair. In my
opinion it’s fine that the EC made a decision that the
cost benefit ratio isn’t favorable. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">We
will indeed have a new leadership, and if that EC has
people on it with different views, they can make a
different decision in the future. But I am glad this EC
made the decision it made.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">Dr.
Milton L. Mueller<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">Professor,
School of Public Policy<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">Georgia
Institute of Technology<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>
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