<div><div dir="auto">They said that because I said on the PC list that NCSG position was hold it every other year. We had this conversation on NCSG mailing list where you had a paragraph in support of holding intersessional and we objected and said we should say every other year. But you decided to delete that paragraph altogether. </div></div><div dir="auto">Wrong delegates werent invited, the leaders of each constituency and stakeholder group were sent. As it was with each year. You are planning to eliminate some of the leaders? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I want to know what the metrics of success is. If it’s concrete outcomes and a plan for the next year you did non of that in Iceland. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">A leadership change does not necessarily mean you will get better delegates this time. It actually means you will have less experienced leaders to attend a highly charged meeting with no knowledge of the dynamics of csg and ncsg. <br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 3:35 AM Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>This is the NCUC list, not the NCSG list.<div><br></div><div>The NCUC has not had its elections yet, so there may well be a leadership change.</div><div><br></div><div>I agree that this year’s Intersessional was not effective, but others have been. The 2017 Intersessional, for instance, was successful. We need to look at why that was, and take the best practices from 2017 forward, not give up because this year’s meeting was low on outcomes. In part I think it was low on outcomes because the wrong delegates were invited.</div><div><br></div><div>At the NCSG, NCUC, and NPOC levels we need to have a conversation around who is invited to the Intersessional; I do not think it necessarily makes sense to invite ‘leaders’. I think we should be inviting a mixture of those with skills to share and those with skills to learn.</div><div><br></div><div>At stake here is also the principle of membership consultation. The NCUC Executive Committee, as evidenced on its list, has decided to reject the funding for an Intersessional in 2019 <i>without first consulting with NCUC members. </i>This is unacceptable.</div><div><br></div><div>To claim it is following an NCSG position is bizarre because all of the NCUC EC are subscribed to the NCSG-Discuss list; have they seen a recent conversation on the merits of the Intersessional? Because I haven’t. The last conversation I could find through searching the archives was last year where there was widespread support for the Intersessional.</div><div><br></div><div>Funding can certainly be rejected, but it should only be rejected after we - the members - have been consulted. This is the crux of my argument here. </div><div><br></div><div>And because this is the NCUC list and I have directed my comment to the NCUC Chair, I would like to hear from Renata as to how she reconciles the fact that she is asking the CEO for resources for capacity building when she has just turned down funding that was allocated to the NCUC for an Intersessional whose prime focus for 2019 could be capacity building.</div></div><div><div><br></div><div><div>Ayden</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 28 Aug 2018, at 08:21, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_817526725293294159Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">What leadership change? Only the chair will change the newly elected council members been already a part of the delegation. You had a chance to fix it last year as well by attending the planning meetings and being more active. No one here had attended all the calls:<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/ncph/Intersessional+2018+-+Planning+Call+details%2C+Recordings%2C+Transcripts" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/ncph/Intersessional+2018+-+Planning+Call+details%2C+Recordings%2C+Transcripts </a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">And even attendance in planning is not sufficient. it's not a three month or one month fix, you need to work with CSG throughout the year and then have a meeting with them. Which I don't believe anyone has done on this thread. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">It's a waste of resource and staff work so hard and no one answers their emails or read their reports or contribute substantively. It did not change last year, it won't change next year either. But if agreed on having it this year, I hope these exchanges make you more determined to at least make it a bit worthwhile. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_817526725293294159gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 1:20 AM Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">We will have new leaders by next year, let’s try to work with them and fix what can be fixed. I support the International for 2019 and will only have an opinion after this one. I never attended any in the past.<br><div id="m_817526725293294159m_7596143288898739539AppleMailSignature"><div>-----------------</div><div>Arsène Tungali,</div><div><a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" target="_blank">about.me/ArseneTungali</a></div><div>+243 993810967</div><div>GPG: 523644A0</div><div>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)</div><div><br>On Aug 28, 2018, at 5:15 AM, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I support trying to
fix it. I was looking forward to it this year and would have
appreciated voicing my opinions on how to use it. I
appreciate the requirement to meet with the BC, although I
have no illusions about them wanting to hang out with us. We
still learn from them.</font></font></p><p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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There are a few people who do not support the continuation of the
Intersessional, however a majority of the 2018 delegates rated it
in its evaluation as being valuable and serving a purpose. There
is not a formal NCSG position on the Intersessional, nor have we
discussed the topic on the NCSG/NCUC mailing lists recently. The
last time the topic was raised on our list, from what I recall,
there was widespread support for its continuation.
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<div>Ayden</div>
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<div>On 28 Aug 2018, at 00:33, farzaneh badii
<<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="auto">I had the impression that we
did. Tatiana, Rafik and I are in favor of every
other year. I'll see if other pc members have an
opinion but this was also discussed on the list. I
believe it should be done every other year. Framing
intersessional as a capacity building program is
strange to me. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Most members don't know what is
going on in intersessional to have an opinion since it
is for the leaders. And no its not upon us to make it
better.. Year after year we tried and didn't work out.
And I spent a lot of time and energy last year with
the planning meeting etc. Doesn't work out. Only a
handful of people are engaged with various matters and
can speak up in these meetings. We don't need it every
year. I have gotten most of the procedures done we
needed through emails. Why do we have to meet with CSG
every year? To say what we disagree on? We sure do
know that. To work on NCPH stuff? We can get them done
via email. </div>
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<div dir="auto">I look at the NCPH mailing list
and it looks very empty. Staff kept asking us for
things and we responded briefly or rarely. It's
another burden On a bunch of volunteers. NCPH is not
like council strategic meeting. Council members have
to be involved with everything and have to work
together. Ncsg and csg leaders don't in many respect
and it leads to not having meaningful conversation. No
concrete outcome has come out of any intersessional to
date. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 6:20
PM Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">>
With regards to Intersession, NCUC EC has only
discussed it in NCUC EC<br>
> list yet but the consensus was to follow PC
NCSG position.<br>
<br>
<br>
The NCSG PC does not have a position on the
Intersessional.<br>
<br>
Ayden<br>
<br>
> On 28 Aug 2018, at 00:16, Renata Aquino
Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hi all<br>
> <br>
> We just had the call, it was indeed quite
interesting and I'll send<br>
> the notes soon.<br>
> <br>
> With regards to Intersession, NCUC EC has
only discussed it in NCUC EC<br>
> list yet but the consensus was to follow PC
NCSG position.<br>
> <br>
> Best,<br>
> <br>
> Renata<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 6:35 PM, Ayden
Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> Thank you, Renata. I look forward to
reviewing your call notes.<br>
>> <br>
>> I am curious as to what you will ask the
CEO about capacity building when the NCUC has
recently opposed the 2019 Intersessional.<br>
>> <br>
>> There was confirmed funding in the budget
for the 2019 Intersessional and this represented
an excellent opportunity for the NCUC to engage in
internal capacity development.<br>
>> <br>
>> I am surprised that this funding was
declined without first consulting with NCUC
members. If the NCSG Finance Committee was
consulted, I do not see any indication on their
mailing list. In any case, I believe this decision
should have been left to the new Executive
Committee to make, and should have only been made
after consulting with NCUC members.<br>
>> <br>
>> The Intersessional is what we make it. If
it didn’t work this year, we should fix it for
next year. To simply throw away the funding that
was confirmed and allocated in the budget is, in
my view, a dereliction of duty and will only cause
the NCUC harm.<br>
>> <br>
>> I understand the thinking is, we will ask
for the funding again in 2020. The Intersessional
is currently a part of the core budget; if not
used, the question in 2020 will be, why do we need
the funding if you didn’t need it last year? I
find it hard to imagine the funding will ever be
made available again if turned down for 2019.<br>
>> <br>
>> I am disappointed that decisions to do
with resources are being made without first
consulting with NCUC members. I ask that this
please change. Thank you.<br>
>> <br>
>> Ayden<br>
>> <br>
>>> On 27 Aug 2018, at 21:19, Renata
Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Dear all<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Thank you for your responses to this.
Call will be soon and I'll also<br>
>>> use some of the notes of the previous
discussions our members<br>
>>> contributed in NCSG.<br>
>>> I don't think we'll have a time to
approach leadership renewal other<br>
>>> than an update only.<br>
>>> I will bring up the capacity buidling
and I guess there will be lots<br>
>>> to listen to<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Best,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Renata<br>
>>> <br>
>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 4:39 AM,
Benjamin Akinmoyeje <<a href="mailto:benakin@gmail.com" target="_blank">benakin@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>> Dear Chair,<br>
>>>> Sorry for the late response, the
already identified talking points look<br>
>>>> alright to me.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> However my addition to the
talking point around Capacity Building will be to<br>
>>>> encourage other stakeholders in
ICANN to engage NCUC in their different<br>
>>>> region actively.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Kind regards,<br>
>>>> Benjamin<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:02 PM
Bruna Martins dos Santos<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Dear all,<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Any points you think should
be considered by Renata in this call other<br>
>>>>> than the ones listed by her ?<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> - Implementation of our new
bylaws - Projects ongoing and challenges<br>
>>>>> on initiatives which could
support more policy work<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> - Capacity building budget
cuts - Results and planning for FY19<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> - NCUC Leadership renewal -
Noting that new leadership will be briefed<br>
>>>>> on ongoing processes and will
align goals with ICANN Org<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Best,<br>
>>>>> Bruna<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Em seg, 20 de ago de 2018 às
16:03, Renata Aquino Ribeiro<br>
>>>>> <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>>
escreveu:<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Dear members<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> NCUC Chair will have a
phone meeting with ICANN CEO on Aug 27th.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Please send in your
suggestions for questions and talking points.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Remember each
Constituency gets such meeting so some points
which NCSG<br>
>>>>>> may already be discussing
you should weigh in whether it is important<br>
>>>>>> for NCUC to reinforce or
not.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Here are the points I
thought we could bring up<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> - Implementation of our
new bylaws - Projects ongoing and challenges<br>
>>>>>> on initiatives which
could support more policy work<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> - Capacity building
budget cuts - Results and planning for FY19<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> - NCUC Leadership renewal
- Noting that new leadership will be briefed<br>
>>>>>> on ongoing processes and
will align goals with ICANN Org<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Best,<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Renata<br>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> --<br>
>>>>> Bruna Martins dos Santos<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos<br>
>>>>> @boomartins<br>
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