<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Dear Steph, Ayden and other friends,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">First thanks for making out time to comment on this draft operating procedures for NCSG-Finance Committee.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">With regards to your concerns I wish to state for instance that bulk of the OP actually radiated mainly from the assignment contained in the NCSG charter and we cannot do the OP halfway.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Be that as it may, FC has mandate to source and leverage opportunities for new fundings both inside and outside ICANN and cannot make success of that without mainstreaming the ICANN community to unravel these, liaise and advice EC and Constituencies appropriately, therefore interfacing with ICANN finance and other stakeholders including potential funders on one-on-one becomes imperative so as to follow the money and learn the priorities of our respective stakeholder groups and where to harness accordingly.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Please permit me to respond a few others inline as below.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><b>We are talking about a very small pot of money here; relative to what the NCSG has in the bank (metaphorically speaking, as the NCSG does not even have a bank account).</b></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1. Yes, we in FC are aware of these and would not want to be limited by what is now as it's anticipated the wind will change for better all things being equal with collaboration and support of EC.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><b><i>Auditing roles et al:</i></b></div><div dir="auto">I have copied and pasted below a part of the charter under Section 2.6 outside the charge for FC to account for all funds received by NCSG (NPOC and NCUC).</div><div dir="auto">"<i><b>Financial reports must be prepared annually and be made public.</b></i></div><div dir="auto"><i><b>• Provide internal conflict resolution process regarding funds.</b></i></div><div dir="auto"><i><b>• Provide the oversight of the Treasurer function.</b></i></div><div dir="auto"><i><b>• Fulfill any other accounting auditing or other prescribed financial requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for organizations within the ICANN"</b></i></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This notwithstanding, I have a feeling the charter envisaged the jobs of financial secretary, treasurer and auditor combined for FC and I stand to be corrected. And until we have this tripod assignment clear in mind there are likely of anyone saying FC is assuming too much, so there is no overstepping of remit as you can see above.</div><div dir="auto"><b><br></b></div><div dir="auto"><b>I see a lot of text around appropriating resources for the Finance Committee itself -- travel slots, 20% of any and all NCSG funds for administrative incidentals, etc.</b></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Well, I addressed the importance of networking for FC earlier especially as regards the need to follow the money in and out of ICANN.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The 20% is actually to take care of the bank and associated charges on disbursables as may be approved by EC, it's not anticipated to go beyond that, outside the fact that whatever gets disbursed in the event that C's have to apply for funds to do their work and outreach or if inflow is to be shared for C's based on whatever is approved by EC eventually.</div><div dir="auto">Additionally the job details as contained in the charter is huge enough and we are planning for a work plan after this OP has been concluding FC-focused outreach to afford our SG stakeholders know more about NCSG-FC activities and other ICANN community at large.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It's obvious that since 2011 NCSG community has not been faithful to the provision of annual accounts that encourages fair accountability, openness and transparency and we want to work with all to ensure that compliance is done in this accounting year moving forward.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><b> Will it be scrutinising ICANN's annual budget and working with the Policy Committee to prepare a comment? </b></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes, of course we all are here to make NCSG great and do not have any reason to shy aware from anything that will bring progress in this SG, including Additional Budgetary Requests (ABR) and/or Additional Fund Requests (AFR) whichever one is more applicable plus the backing from EC. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Working with PC and EC and entire community is not negotiable. This was why I had persistently said that all hands must be on the deck which is in the best interest of NCSG to provide all vital environment for FC to excel without any prejudice in order to be seen as living our Charter.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I hope this helps in assuaging any fears you may have.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Let us know if you still question.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">Remmy</div><div dir="auto">Member, NCSG-FC</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 11:09 pm Ayden Férdeline, <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Thato,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for drafting this. It is great to see that the Finance Committee is active again. In principle I support having internal operating procedures, but I guess my concern is, do we need so many? We are talking about a very small pot of money here; relative to what the NCSG has in the bank (metaphorically speaking, as the NCSG does not even have a bank account), are we engineering too many procedures for its oversight? I'm also concerned that the Finance Committee seems to be overstepping its remit; it is not an internal auditor, the finances of the NCSG's constituencies are not its responsibility. I see a lot of text around appropriating resources for the Finance Committee itself -- travel slots, 20% of any and all NCSG funds for administrative incidentals, etc -- but no language around what the Finance Committee will actually do for the NCSG. Will it be scrutinising ICANN's annual budget and working with the Policy Committee to prepare a comment? Will it be working with the Executive Committee and the Policy Committee to submit Additional Budgetary Requests to support our campaigns and policy work? I'd hope so, and it might be helpful to think about how the Finance Committee can help the NCSG and our members where it really matters: defending and protecting non-commercial uses and users of the Domain Name System. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes, Ayden <br></div><div class="m_-58293188644496517protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-58293188644496517protonmail_signature_block-proton m_-58293188644496517protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div> On 16 July 2018 10:36 AM, Thato Mfikwe <<a href="mailto:thatomfikwe@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">thatomfikwe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-58293188644496517protonmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:9.5pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">Dear colleagues,<span></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:9.5pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">I am glad to announce that the<span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)" class="m_-58293188644496517colour"><b> <u><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Committees-2018" style="text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Finance
Committee of NCSG</a></u></b> </span>is now in place and ready to tackle governance
issues within NCSG to ensure the high levels of transparency and accountability
as enshrined in section 2.6 of the NCSG charter in relation to the NCSG Finance
committee.
The current members of NCSG FC are Farzaneh Badii (NCSG Chair), Remmy Nweke
(NPOC rep) and Thato Mfikwe (NCUC rep). The FC will periodically upload its
documents on the <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Finance+Committee#Information-175761693" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="m_-58293188644496517colour"><b>NCSG FC Wikispace</b></span></a><span style="color:rgb(0,176,240)" class="m_-58293188644496517colour"> </span>for
the
community to keep upto date with current and planned activities and have
access to committee-generated action plans, reports and documents, so<span> </span>lookout for monthly updates.<span></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:9.5pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">Please note the FC has not been fully operational in past years
with no historical financial records or operational guidelines to show for the past FY activities, thus the current committee
intends to build and establish this important pillar of NCSG
governance. The NCSG FC does not have an account, has no agreed formula on how
funds should be distributed by the NCSG EC to constituencies and has had no
visibility within NCSG activities yet, therefore a solid OP will be critical in
getting the ball rolling to put NCSG FC on its right pedestal.<br> <br> The NCSG Finance Committee<b> <span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)" class="m_-58293188644496517colour"><u><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Operational
Procedure Draft document</a></u></span><span style="color:rgb(0,176,240)" class="m_-58293188644496517colour"> </span></b>is
available for comment, please note that the FC has only had discussion around
the OP but no formal consensus has been reached yet.<span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:9.5pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">The Finance Committee DRAFT OP is built upon and guided by
clauses contained in the <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/improvements/ncsg-charter-05may11-en.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="m_-58293188644496517colour"><b>NCSG Charter</b></span></a> (Section 2.6) which was adopted in May
2011, a long standing document that guides activities and operations of NCSG
and all its committees.<span></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">The comment process will start today, 1<b>5</b> July 2018 and end
on the 3<sup>rd</sup> of August 2018 at 12am UTC, upon which, the FC will
review comments, make necessary resolutions and send the second draft OP to the NCSG
EC for approval and adoption.<span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">At the same time, the Finance Committee would like to know
if there are any major points that we (FC members) might missed in the coverage
of this Operational Procedure?</span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size"></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size"><span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">The NCSG FC welcomes your <span class="m_-58293188644496517gmail-m_8652676036792954292gmail-il">comments</span> with
relevant rationale and looks forward to speaking with you more about how to best support
the NCSG community activities throughout the year.</span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">Hoping to sharing a bit more on the NCSG FC updates in the next call later on, thanks.</span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size"></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">Yours in development,</span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">Thato Mfikwe.</span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">NCSG Finance Committee Chair</span></span><br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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</blockquote></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 Jul 2018 11:09 pm, "Ayden Férdeline" <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Thato,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for drafting this. It is great to see that the Finance Committee is active again. In principle I support having internal operating procedures, but I guess my concern is, do we need so many? We are talking about a very small pot of money here; relative to what the NCSG has in the bank (metaphorically speaking, as the NCSG does not even have a bank account), are we engineering too many procedures for its oversight? I'm also concerned that the Finance Committee seems to be overstepping its remit; it is not an internal auditor, the finances of the NCSG's constituencies are not its responsibility. I see a lot of text around appropriating resources for the Finance Committee itself -- travel slots, 20% of any and all NCSG funds for administrative incidentals, etc -- but no language around what the Finance Committee will actually do for the NCSG. Will it be scrutinising ICANN's annual budget and working with the Policy Committee to prepare a comment? Will it be working with the Executive Committee and the Policy Committee to submit Additional Budgetary Requests to support our campaigns and policy work? I'd hope so, and it might be helpful to think about how the Finance Committee can help the NCSG and our members where it really matters: defending and protecting non-commercial uses and users of the Domain Name System. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes, Ayden <br></div><div class="m_-58293188644496517protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-58293188644496517protonmail_signature_block-proton m_-58293188644496517protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div class="elided-text"><div> On 16 July 2018 10:36 AM, Thato Mfikwe <<a href="mailto:thatomfikwe@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">thatomfikwe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-58293188644496517protonmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:9.5pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">Dear colleagues,<span></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:9.5pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">I am glad to announce that the<span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)" class="m_-58293188644496517colour"><b> <u><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Committees-2018" style="text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Finance
Committee of NCSG</a></u></b> </span>is now in place and ready to tackle governance
issues within NCSG to ensure the high levels of transparency and accountability
as enshrined in section 2.6 of the NCSG charter in relation to the NCSG Finance
committee.
The current members of NCSG FC are Farzaneh Badii (NCSG Chair), Remmy Nweke
(NPOC rep) and Thato Mfikwe (NCUC rep). The FC will periodically upload its
documents on the <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Finance+Committee#Information-175761693" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="m_-58293188644496517colour"><b>NCSG FC Wikispace</b></span></a><span style="color:rgb(0,176,240)" class="m_-58293188644496517colour"> </span>for
the
community to keep upto date with current and planned activities and have
access to committee-generated action plans, reports and documents, so<span> </span>lookout for monthly updates.<span></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:9.5pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">Please note the FC has not been fully operational in past years
with no historical financial records or operational guidelines to show for the past FY activities, thus the current committee
intends to build and establish this important pillar of NCSG
governance. The NCSG FC does not have an account, has no agreed formula on how
funds should be distributed by the NCSG EC to constituencies and has had no
visibility within NCSG activities yet, therefore a solid OP will be critical in
getting the ball rolling to put NCSG FC on its right pedestal.<br> <br> The NCSG Finance Committee<b> <span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)" class="m_-58293188644496517colour"><u><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XBL9khOhzxRRu5BiwCNeGu4suSfAw3tHFnNldeirnJQ/edit" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Operational
Procedure Draft document</a></u></span><span style="color:rgb(0,176,240)" class="m_-58293188644496517colour"> </span></b>is
available for comment, please note that the FC has only had discussion around
the OP but no formal consensus has been reached yet.<span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:9.5pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">The Finance Committee DRAFT OP is built upon and guided by
clauses contained in the <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/improvements/ncsg-charter-05may11-en.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:rgb(11,83,148)" class="m_-58293188644496517colour"><b>NCSG Charter</b></span></a> (Section 2.6) which was adopted in May
2011, a long standing document that guides activities and operations of NCSG
and all its committees.<span></span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">The comment process will start today, 1<b>5</b> July 2018 and end
on the 3<sup>rd</sup> of August 2018 at 12am UTC, upon which, the FC will
review comments, make necessary resolutions and send the second draft OP to the NCSG
EC for approval and adoption.<span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">At the same time, the Finance Committee would like to know
if there are any major points that we (FC members) might missed in the coverage
of this Operational Procedure?</span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size"></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size"><span></span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">The NCSG FC welcomes your <span class="m_-58293188644496517gmail-m_8652676036792954292gmail-il">comments</span> with
relevant rationale and looks forward to speaking with you more about how to best support
the NCSG community activities throughout the year.</span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">Hoping to sharing a bit more on the NCSG FC updates in the next call later on, thanks.</span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size"></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">Yours in development,</span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">Thato Mfikwe.</span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="m_-58293188644496517font"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="m_-58293188644496517size">NCSG Finance Committee Chair</span></span><br></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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