<div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="auto">Thank you Tracy. </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am sorry that we named you on this thread. It was certainly not to call you out. You did nothing wrong on your part. And it was unnecessary to bring up your case because as I had said we were working on the problem.<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">When I mentioned other instances of attempts for challenging EC decisions, I was not mentioning your case and I don't think it's necessary to go there.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The problem with chairs of constituencies becoming involved with membership approval as I said is a governance problem. Chairs can indeed follow up case to case basis but I do not advise they'd be added to membership database as observers. Applicants have extensive rights when they become members and I don't think Chairs should be able to vouch for them over other applicants or push for their approval. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">As I explained your case of late approval was because of a glitch in the system which I wanted to fix. The CIVICRM was not saving our comments on members applications. </span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default">In this whole thread, there are direct and indirect allegations and criticisms. some of the messages and undertones are negative. I think members have the right to criticize leaders, this is why I started the whole thread in the first place. I am not going to comment on the style by which they express their criticism, some of the styles are not to my liking. But I don't think anyone had an attempt on bringing down humanity. Including the ones that criticized me indirectly or directly. Since Ayden has sent that email in my defense, my judgment might not seem objective, but I still believe criticism towards any of the leaders, me or anyone else direct, indirect, pleasant, unpleasant, with a personal undertone or not, should be dealt with objectively and the issue has to be tackled, not the person who is criticizing be suppressed. </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">But I could make a note to the members on my own behalf: when I said hold us accountable I didn't mean bring your sharpest knife :) </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">I hope we can get this behind us and as I have said I am committed to improve our procedures until the end of my term. </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><br></div></div><div><div><div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:38 PM Tracy Kadesa <<a href="mailto:kadesatracy@gmail.com" target="_blank">kadesatracy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear Farzaneh,<div><br></div><div>I hope this email finds you well !</div><div><br></div><div>In light of the conversation up there, since my name has been mentioned , I would like to explain as follows;</div><div><br></div><div>1. As a newcomer, I wasn't clear on approval procedures and since I was applying to NCUC, I reached out to NCUC chair who was very helpful.(It did not occur to me that this was wrong)<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>2. NCUC chair then introduced me to yourselves(you and Maryam) through an email conversation , the email conversation was very cordial and you explained that approval takes a month. I am very thankful for how fast you responded;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b><u>3. On 18th March 2018, NCUC Chair made a polite inquiry after I had asked her what my membership status was , since 1 month had lapsed already.(</u> </b>I would have done the<b> </b>same<b> </b>if I was in NCUC chair's position).</div><div><br></div><div> I am looking at that particular email thread right now,and honestly I do not see any form of pressure from the NCUC chair. <br></div><div><br></div><div> Your response was very warm and both you and NCUC chair have been accessible in terms of responding to queries here and there after my approval.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>4. I believe that NCUC chair doesn't just come out to randomly advocate for people whose interests are not in line with NCUC because that was not the case in my situation.(here I am referring to Ayden's email highlighted below)<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><font color="#000000"><u><b>5. Lastly ,</b><b>I believe in RESPECT and the conversation that I have highlighted down here is just plain disrespectful and seems like a personal attack .That's not how to handle another human being .Can't people disagree cordially? Aren't there any standards in this place?isn't there humanity in this place? how do we advocate for free and open internet if we can not respect our team members?As civil society , I do not know how people can stay silent when such behavior is displayed. </b></u></font></div><div><font color="#ff0000"><b><u><br></u></b></font></div><div><br></div><div><u><font color="#000000"><b>THIS IS VERY WRONG!</b></font><b style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"> </b><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0);margin-right:0.2ex;margin-left:0.2ex"><b>👇</b></span></u><br></div><div><font color="#ff0000"><b><u><br></u></b></font></div><div><br></div><div>
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class="m_-7660293626902486449m_3594728940759998757m_-5727280524793108589m_-8859903563961174239m_1085491166256354736m_-3748955636375492238gmail-a3s m_-7660293626902486449m_3594728940759998757m_-5727280524793108589m_-8859903563961174239m_1085491166256354736m_-3748955636375492238gmail-aXjCH m_-7660293626902486449m_3594728940759998757m_-5727280524793108589m_-8859903563961174239m_1085491166256354736m_-3748955636375492238gmail-m164838765da2e828" style="overflow:hidden"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#0000ff">Farzaneh,<br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#0000ff"><br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#0000ff">Thank you for documenting this.<span> </span><br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#0000ff"><br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#0000ff">This is very troubling behaviour on the part of the NCUC Chair. <br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#0000ff"><br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#0000ff"><u>It is outrageous that the NCUC Chair would seek to put pressure on you to approve applications for membership who do not fulfil our membership criteria. </u>We are here to defend non-commercial uses and users of the Domain Name System, and must be careful not to allow those who do not support a free and open Internet to use our platform in order to push different priorities.<br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#0000ff"><br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#0000ff"><b><u>I will not respond to Renata's other comments in this thread, as they are immature and exemplify the poor judgement that has come to be the hallmark of her tenure as NCUC Chair</u></b>.<br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#0000ff"><br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><font color="#0000ff">Best wishes,<br></font></div><div 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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:21 PM, Mueller, Milton L <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Peter Green was elected to the NCUC Executive Committee from Asia region some time ago, probably Heng Zhou got it confused with NCSG chair. No big deal. Let’s
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Ncuc-discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>socata<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 11, 2018 4:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>; Farell FOLLY <<a href="mailto:farell@benin2point0.org" target="_blank">farell@benin2point0.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ncuc-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>></span></p><div><div class="m_-7660293626902486449m_3594728940759998757m_-5727280524793108589m_-8859903563961174239m_1085491166256354736m_-3748955636375492238m_2806394223004995283h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Hold us accountable<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Dear Farell,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks for your nice word. And to James, thanks for your clarification.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I would say that I had no idea about what Peter was doing in the past few years, and I didn't care, honestly. All I know is that it is not easy for the Chinese community
member, like Peter, to participate ICANN discussions. The meeting always was hold in midnight for us, and there always connection problems about Google service due to GFW. In addition, few colleagues may understand you. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Even if Farzaneh may sometimes make some mistakes, I would like to say that I can understand that, that is the whole point I want to say.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Zhou Heng<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">在</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> 2018-07-11 03:05:07</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">,</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Farell
FOLLY <<a href="mailto:farell@benin2point0.org" target="_blank">farell@benin2point0.org</a>> </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Africa 2.0 Foundation.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span class="m_-7660293626902486449m_3594728940759998757m_-5727280524793108589m_-8859903563961174239m_1085491166256354736m_-3748955636375492238m_2806394223004995283m_-5554341785002953514apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Ncuc-discuss
<<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>><span class="m_-7660293626902486449m_3594728940759998757m_-5727280524793108589m_-8859903563961174239m_1085491166256354736m_-3748955636375492238m_2806394223004995283m_-5554341785002953514apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="m_-7660293626902486449m_3594728940759998757m_-5727280524793108589m_-8859903563961174239m_1085491166256354736m_-3748955636375492238m_2806394223004995283m_-5554341785002953514apple-converted-space"> </span></b>socata<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="m_-7660293626902486449m_3594728940759998757m_-5727280524793108589m_-8859903563961174239m_1085491166256354736m_-3748955636375492238m_2806394223004995283m_-5554341785002953514apple-converted-space"> </span>10 July 2018 12:08<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="m_-7660293626902486449m_3594728940759998757m_-5727280524793108589m_-8859903563961174239m_1085491166256354736m_-3748955636375492238m_2806394223004995283m_-5554341785002953514apple-converted-space"> </span>farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM</a>>; ncuc-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m_-7660293626902486449m_3594728940759998757m_-5727280524793108589m_-8859903563961174239m_1085491166256354736m_-3748955636375492238m_2806394223004995283m_-5554341785002953514apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Hold us accountable<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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members in this community may hold negative opinions to him, and I also have different idea about a registry's staff to get involved in NCSG. However, I must admit that Peter Green pay lots of extra hours for NCSG. I heard that he used to work very late for
NCSG, and usually left the office in 2 a.m to catch the NCSG meeting. In addition, no one in CONAC understand what he was doing, so he gets no extra salary and promotion.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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At 2018-07-10 03:10:25, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM</span></a>> wrote:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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chair) has repeatedly been putting pressure on me and challenging me on why some applicants have not been approved while all the EC and I were doing was working with a broken membership database and trying to verify the noncommercial interest of some of the
applicants who were from the governments or the noncommercial nature of their association was not really obvious. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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will take a month. I responded on the same day. on 17 March you contacted me again cc'ing her. I responded immediately. It usually takes us 1 month for approval but because we had a glitch with the membership system and I wanted it to be operationalized and
NCSG EC members are volunteers and have other things to do it took a bit longer than the one month period. We are now trying to comply with the one month period. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#3b3b3b">Although references are not required, it would be helpful to the Membership Committee to know if you have an affiliation with a current NCSG member or can use an NCSG member as a referral
to confirm your identity. </span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#3b3b3b">Can you provide a current NCSG member as a reference? If so, who?"</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#222222">.Maryam
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3b3b3b">The NCSG EC will certainly document the procedure of membership approval in the near future, I will advise them not to have any of the constituency's chairs as observers on the membership
database. I believe that is the job of their NCSG EC reps to update you, you can ask your EC reps to report to you on this. If you don't like how the EC members work, if they are processing applications late, if they are not responding then your EC can remove
them and assign someone else. As Joan suggested, a list of rejected applicants can be produced, only their name and family name and with the reason for rejection.<span class="m_-7660293626902486449m_3594728940759998757m_-5727280524793108589m_-8859903563961174239m_1085491166256354736m_-3748955636375492238m_2806394223004995283m_-5554341785002953514apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="background:white"> You can ask your NCSG
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">However we need a safeguard to observe the database when a member has participated in outreach but could not join due to mistakes in his/her communication, people
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I'm aware this is a long shot but just landing it here for the record.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">I think a summary of the applicants who were not approved is fine as well. I have an applicant who was not approved and does not know why. I think that observing is good, however,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">But I this fencing via ICANN Staff to membership database is the opposite of accountability to me and while we understand NCSG is the supreme decider of all things,
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