<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear James,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If we think that somebody made a mistake, we can simply correct (s)he either privately (recommended by Netiquette best practices) or publicly so that nobody else makes the same mistake again.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t think that this kind of irony will really serve the purpose of our community.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 10 Jul 2018, at 17:59, James Gannon <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" class="">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">News to me that Peter was the Chair of the NCSG, the things we learn!<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Ncuc-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" class="">ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>socata<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>10 July 2018 12:08<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM" class="">farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM</a>>; ncuc-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" class="">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Hold us accountable<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Dear Community member,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">I totally understand the working load of running a community, and you can't require everything is perfect here.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Even though she may make some mistakes sometimes, I have recognized that Farzaneh have done so much for the community. The chair of NCSG was never a easy job.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">I used to work with Peter Green (Zhang Zuan), the former Chair of NCSG, in China Organizational Name Administration Center(CONAC) for several years. I know lots of members in this community may hold negative opinions to him, and I also have different idea about a registry's staff to get involved in NCSG. However, I must admit that Peter Green pay lots of extra hours for NCSG. I heard that he used to work very late for NCSG, and usually left the office in 2 a.m to catch the NCSG meeting. In addition, no one in CONAC understand what he was doing, so he gets no extra salary and promotion.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">The chair of NCSG was a pure voluntary position. Farzaneh did not get any payment from us. You can' t ask her too much.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Best Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">--<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Zhou Heng<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Ph.d Candidate<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Renmin University of China<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">At 2018-07-10 03:10:25, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Dear Renata,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Let me clarify something. The reason why I am reluctant to have the chairs of the constituencies be observers on NCSG EC application database is that you ( NCUC chair) has repeatedly been putting pressure on me and challenging me on why some applicants have not been approved while all the EC and I were doing was working with a broken membership database and trying to verify the noncommercial interest of some of the applicants who were from the governments or the noncommercial nature of their association was not really obvious. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">I certainly cannot and do not have enough time for such quarrels, I never did that to the NCSG chair when I was NCUC chair, I had faith in my NCSG EC reps. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Tracy Kadesa applied for membership on 27 January. Her case was brought to our attention on 2 Feb by you, less than one week after she had applied, I told you it will take a month. I responded on the same day. on 17 March you contacted me again cc'ing her. I responded immediately. It usually takes us 1 month for approval but because we had a glitch with the membership system and I wanted it to be operationalized and NCSG EC members are volunteers and have other things to do it took a bit longer than the one month period. We are now trying to comply with the one month period. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">In your outreach events or if you recommend someone apply you can do two things: 1. ask them put your name as their reference (we have this section on our online form here:</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 1.5pt; margin-bottom: 12pt;" class=""><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 14.4pt; margin-left: 0cm; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(59, 59, 59);" class="">Although references are not required, it would be helpful to the Membership Committee to know if you have an affiliation with a current NCSG member or can use an NCSG member as a referral to confirm your identity. </span></b><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(59, 59, 59);" class="">Can you provide a current NCSG member as a reference? If so, who?"</span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">.Maryam can contact them with you in cc, ask for more information. But at no point or time should the chair be challenging the decision of why NCSG EC is making further inquiries. </span><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(59, 59, 59);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 14.4pt; margin-left: 0cm; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">2. Ask them to fill in the form carefully with their current contact details because we might contact them. (it says on our application form) If they have inquiries regarding their membership application, it is clearly said on the submission form who they can contact: </span><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(59, 59, 59);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div style="margin-top: 1.5pt; margin-bottom: 12pt;" class=""><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 14.4pt; margin-left: 0cm; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(59, 59, 59); background-color: rgb(215, 243, 251); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">The NCSG Membership Committee receives applications on a rolling basis and evaluates them monthly. If you have not received a response within 30 days please contact </span><b class=""><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(59, 59, 59);" class=""><a href="mailto:info@members.ncsg.is" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: rgb(0, 112, 179); background-color: rgb(215, 243, 251); font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">members.ncsg.is</span></a></span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(59, 59, 59); background-color: rgb(215, 243, 251); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">. If further information or clarification is needed, the Membership Committee will contact you.</span><b class=""><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(59, 59, 59);" class=""></span></b><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(59, 59, 59);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 14.4pt; margin-left: 0cm; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(59, 59, 59);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 14.4pt; margin-left: 0cm; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(59, 59, 59);" class="">The NCSG EC will certainly document the procedure of membership approval in the near future, I will advise them not to have any of the constituency's chairs as observers on the membership database. I believe that is the job of their NCSG EC reps to update you, you can ask your EC reps to report to you on this. If you don't like how the EC members work, if they are processing applications late, if they are not responding then your EC can remove them and assign someone else. As Joan suggested, a list of rejected applicants can be produced, only their name and family name and with the reason for rejection.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""> You can ask your NCSG EC reps to do this for you.</span> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 14.4pt; margin-left: 0cm; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(59, 59, 59);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 14.4pt; margin-left: 0cm; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(59, 59, 59);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 14.4pt; margin-left: 0cm; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(59, 59, 59);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Farzaneh</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:51 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">raquino@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks Joan for your reply.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Indeed the role of Observer would preserve NCSG EC independence, would be just for constituency to respond in extraordinary cases.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">I take it the reporting of all leadership should be a constant practice.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">However we need a safeguard to observe the database when a member has participated in outreach but could not join due to mistakes in his/her communication, people who reapply etc.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">I'm aware this is a long shot but just landing it here for the record.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Best,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Renata<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Em seg, 9 de jul de 2018 14:25, Joan Kerr <<a href="mailto:joankerr@fbsc.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">joankerr@fbsc.org</a>> escreveu:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Renata,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">I think a summary of the applicants who were not approved is fine as well. I have an applicant who was not approved and does not know why. I think that observing is good, however, information for the Chair to follow up would suffice as well.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:59 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">raquino@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Hi<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Yes, on the black box procedure of membership approval, a request I have made a while ago to NCSG Chair is to have NCUC and NPOC Chairs as observers of the membership database.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">That could help us know how membership process is going when normally the Constituencies EC is the one doing the outreach and knows who are the members applying better than the NCSG EC rep.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">In order to know if one prospective member applied, today we have to ask NCSG EC rep and they have other work to do, may be abducted by aliens or have any other hinderance that prevents them from reporting timely.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Another issue is that their sending data to us would constitute as data smuggling and I believe that would cause a real privacy nightmare.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Tracy Kadesa, for instance, just tweeted out asking about her application in despair. Others post on Facebook.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Of course we do count on Maryam, ICANN Staff, to confirm status as well.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">But I this fencing via ICANN Staff to membership database is the opposite of accountability to me and while we understand NCSG is the supreme decider of all things, we just want a peek to oversee behind our iron umbrella organization.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Best,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Renata<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br clear="all" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">--<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Joan Kerr,</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Entrepreneur, Artist, Humanitarian</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">T: +1 (416) 907-0783</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Skype: joankerr_fbsc</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://fbsc.org/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">fbsc.org</a>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.fbsc.eco/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.fbsc.eco</a></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Chair: Victory Garden Leadership Implementation Team</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Chair, Sustainable Agriculture, Global Humanitarian Technology Conference</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Chair: IEEE Smart Villages Project, Sustainable Agriculture Working Group</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Chair: ICANN Not for Profit Operational Concerns Constituency</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Recipient of the United Nations Civil Society Award (WSIS 2004)</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Recipient, Region of Durham Community Partnership Award</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; 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