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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">News to me that Peter was the Chair of the NCSG, the things we learn!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>socata<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 July 2018 12:08<br>
<b>To:</b> farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM>; ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Hold us accountable<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I totally understand the working load of running a community, and you can't require everything is perfect here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Even though she may make some mistakes sometimes, I have recognized that Farzaneh have done so much for the community. The chair of NCSG was never a easy job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I used to work with Peter Green (Zhang Zuan), the former Chair of NCSG, in China Organizational Name Administration Center(CONAC) for several years. I know lots of
members in this community may hold negative opinions to him, and I also have different idea about a registry's staff to get involved in NCSG. However, I must admit that Peter Green pay lots of extra hours for NCSG. I heard that he used to work very late for
NCSG, and usually left the office in 2 a.m to catch the NCSG meeting. In addition, no one in CONAC understand what he was doing, so he gets no extra salary and promotion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">The chair of NCSG was a pure voluntary position. Farzaneh did not get any payment from us. You can' t ask her too much.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Zhou Heng<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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At 2018-07-10 03:10:25, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM">farzaneh.badii@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Let me clarify something. The reason why I am reluctant to have the chairs of the constituencies be observers on NCSG EC application database is that you ( NCUC
chair) has repeatedly been putting pressure on me and challenging me on why some applicants have not been approved while all the EC and I were doing was working with a broken membership database and trying to verify the noncommercial interest of some of the
applicants who were from the governments or the noncommercial nature of their association was not really obvious. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">I certainly cannot and do not have enough time for such quarrels, I never did that to the NCSG chair when I was NCUC chair, I had faith in my NCSG EC reps. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Tracy Kadesa applied for membership on 27 January. Her case was brought to our attention on 2 Feb by you, less than one week after she had applied, I told you it
will take a month. I responded on the same day. on 17 March you contacted me again cc'ing her. I responded immediately. It usually takes us 1 month for approval but because we had a glitch with the membership system and I wanted it to be operationalized and
NCSG EC members are volunteers and have other things to do it took a bit longer than the one month period. We are now trying to comply with the one month period. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">In your outreach events or if you recommend someone apply you can do two things: 1. ask them put your name as their reference (we have this section on our online
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<b><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#3B3B3B">Although references are not required, it would be helpful to the Membership Committee to know if you have an affiliation with a current NCSG member or can use an NCSG member as a referral to confirm
your identity. </span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#3B3B3B">Can you provide a current NCSG member as a reference? If so, who?"</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#222222">.Maryam
can contact them with you in cc, ask for more information. But at no point or time should the chair be challenging the decision of why NCSG EC is making further inquiries. </span><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#3B3B3B"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#222222">2. Ask them to fill in the form carefully with their current contact details because we might contact them. (it says on our application form) If they have inquiries regarding their
membership application, it is clearly said on the submission form who they can contact: </span><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#3B3B3B"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#3B3B3B;background:#D7F3FB">The NCSG Membership Committee receives applications on a rolling basis and evaluates them monthly. If you have not received a response within 30 days please contact </span><b><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#3B3B3B"><a href="mailto:info@members.ncsg.is"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#0070B3;background:#D7F3FB;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none">members.ncsg.is</span></a></span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:#3B3B3B;background:#D7F3FB">.
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3B3B3B">The NCSG EC will certainly document the procedure of membership approval in the near future, I will advise them not to have any of the constituency's chairs as observers on the membership database.
I believe that is the job of their NCSG EC reps to update you, you can ask your EC reps to report to you on this. If you don't like how the EC members work, if they are processing applications late, if they are not responding then your EC can remove them
and assign someone else. As Joan suggested, a list of rejected applicants can be produced, only their name and family name and with the reason for rejection.
<span style="background:white"> You can ask your NCSG EC reps to do this for you.</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Farzaneh
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:51 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Indeed the role of Observer would preserve NCSG EC independence, would be just for constituency to respond in extraordinary cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I take it the reporting of all leadership should be a constant practice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">However we need a safeguard to observe the database when a member has participated in outreach but could not join due to mistakes in his/her communication, people
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I'm aware this is a long shot but just landing it here for the record.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Em seg, 9 de jul de 2018 14:25, Joan Kerr <<a href="mailto:joankerr@fbsc.org" target="_blank">joankerr@fbsc.org</a>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">I think a summary of the applicants who were not approved is fine as well. I have an applicant who was not approved and does not know why. I think that observing
is good, however, information for the Chair to follow up would suffice as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Yes, on the black box procedure of membership approval, a request I have made a while ago to NCSG Chair is to have NCUC and NPOC Chairs as observers of the membership
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">That could help us know how membership process is going when normally the Constituencies EC is the one doing the outreach and knows who are the members applying better
than the NCSG EC rep.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">In order to know if one prospective member applied, today we have to ask NCSG EC rep and they have other work to do, may be abducted by aliens or have any other hinderance
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Another issue is that their sending data to us would constitute as data smuggling and I believe that would cause a real privacy nightmare.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Tracy Kadesa, for instance, just tweeted out asking about her application in despair. Others post on Facebook.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Of course we do count on Maryam, ICANN Staff, to confirm status as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">But I this fencing via ICANN Staff to membership database is the opposite of accountability to me and while we understand NCSG is the supreme decider of all things,
we just want a peek to oversee behind our iron umbrella organization.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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