<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">+1<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature"><div>-----------------</div><div>Arsène Tungali,</div><div><a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali">about.me/ArseneTungali</a></div><div>+243 993810967</div><div>GPG: 523644A0</div><div>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)</div><div><br>On Jun 7, 2018, at 9:38 PM, Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Dear All,<br>
I'm on two different ICANN lists right now where there is a lot of
email about bad feeling. <br>
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IMHO, this is not good for Working Groups or Stakeholder Groups.
I'm just going to throw into the mix that I think everyone does the
best we can. We are all volunteers, we all have deadlines, friends,
family and a myriad of other things that keep us busy. We work on
ICANN when we can, how we can.<br>
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And with that, I am off to take some aspirin!<br>
Best, Kathy<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/7/2018 2:35 PM, Ayden Férdeline
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<div>Your response is cute but misleading. You have not answered
my very simple question. </div>
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<div>Does the EC have a Skype channel which it uses, and whose
messages are only accessible to current members of the EC?</div>
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<div>I am not talking about other Skype channels which have open
membership and anyone can join by following the link, and you
know it. </div>
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<div>Ayden</div>
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On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 20:29, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">raquino@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite">Hi The official
deliberation channel is EC list. Please refer to our new
bylaws in case of any questions. NCUC does have a Skype
channel and it's called NCUC 2018 - General Chat. Those
willing to join, please email <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chair@ncuc.org">chair@ncuc.org</a> w/ your ID And it
is as it's called - a chat channel, not a deliberation one.
Unfortunately Skype is not a very effective tool. I find that
other apps are better for chat nowadays. IG Hub channel is one
I'd recommend. Chat is different from secret deliberation
channel. EC does chat with each other too but again, Skype is
so old. On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 3:13 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com>wrote:
> Hi Renata, > > Are there any "unofficial"
deliberation channels that the NCUC Executive > Committee
uses? I have not suggested that the official archives have
been > tampered with — I have asked a very plain
question, when you deliberate > off-list, where does this
happen, and what decisions does the EC think are >
acceptable to happen, say, on Skype, where most members will
not be able to > review the decision making trail? >
> Regards, > > Ayden > > Sent from ProtonMail
Mobile > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 20:07, Renata
Aquino Ribeiro <raquino@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi
Ayden I think you are familiar with how list servers work
and how they > record messages automatically. If one
message is to be removed from the > archives it is a
very complicated process. So the archive is recording all
> messages exchanged by the EC which refer to
deliberation process. That is > the official channel of
deliberation of the EC and the messages that count. >
The time constraint is referred to on the thread of EC
approval, which is > deadline of IGF, 6 June. Best,
Renata On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Ayden >
Férdeline wrote: > Hi Renata, > > What were the
"time constraints"? The > proposal submission deadline
that was > known two months in advance? > > The
> archives seem incomplete and often refer to taking
conversations > off-list. > How frequently does this
happen, and how does the Executive > Committee >
reach the decision to take a conversation offline and away
from > membership > review? Do these off-list
conversations happen behind a closed > archive, or >
through another medium? > > Thank you, > >
Ayden > > Sent from ProtonMail > Mobile > >
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 19:51, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> wrote: > >> Dear all All the processes done
by the Executive Committee can be followed >> up on
our open archives list > >
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-ec</a>
Any work passed on > > this list for membership
review is collective work and can receive inputs up
>> to when the proposal is finalized. Indeed the
proposal could have been > sent > with more time but
the EC was alerted that there were time > constraints
and > voted for it knowingly. This proposal received
majority of > the EC and > (should it be approved)
members can still make suggestions up > to the day of
> the presentation. NCUC remains open for suggestion
from > members on actions > and projects that help
us focus back on policy work > done in ICANN. Best,
> Renata >
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