<div dir="auto">Thank you Claudio, glad we'll still be able to submit the views/ideas that were expressed in the draft.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Apr 5, 2018 5:53 PM, "Cláudio Lucena" <<a href="mailto:claudiokilla@gmail.com">claudiokilla@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Dear fellows,</span><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">I'm awfully sorry for not having made the available draft on time, and for commenting restrictions you might have had in the original document.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">As you might have seen, Farzaneh has made a very well structured response available, including some answers concerning a view that only more senior members could have. 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<br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-04-05 10:31 GMT-03:00 Benjamin Akinmoyeje <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:benakin@gmail.com" target="_blank">benakin@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi,<br></div>I have reviewed the document as well and I have looked to see the responses to the questions asked apart from the statement from some fellows. We can still do a better job of the comments. I thought there was going to be responses to the document to which one can add or suggest input. <br><br></div>I am also guilty of not making contributions as I have been a fellow and it's only appropriate to add my input if there is still a window of opportunity.<br></div><div>We should work with the EC to issue a richer document is my view.<br><br></div><div>Thank you,<br></div><div>Benjamin<br></div><div><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_-1524959887362683619h5">On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-1524959887362683619h5"><div>Hi,</div>
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<div>Of the 13 pages, 9 pages are copied and pasted from other sources and do not relate to the questionnaire at hand. Of the 19 questions we have been asked to answer, most (14) have not been responded to, and those
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