<div>I believe it is the knowledge that is valuable, and not the certificate itself. I am glad to hear that this course is so useful and that participants have found it worthwhile participating in. The course came to be because the previous NCUC Chair, Farzaneh Badii, submitted an Additional Budgetary Request for it to be funded. So kudos to Farzi for that. My view here is quite simple; if you take the course seriously and participate actively in it, surely you won't need a certificate to prove you undertook it. You'll have enough knowledge to write a good public comment, and that is what I would consider to be the ultimate measure of success for this programme.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes, Ayden<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div> On 12 March 2018 2:39 PM, dorothy g <dgdorothydg@gmail.com> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>It is a certificate of participation not linked to any credits. These are quite commonly used in training institutions for this kind of one-day course. It is a practitioner engagement and not meant to be academic. Perhaps you have never encountered this type of certification in your professional careers but it is really quite commonly used. Most people who see such a certificate would be able to interpret what it means. As there is no testing, no grades are given.<br></div><div>I have given out thousands of them (as the head of a training institution) and received perhaps close to 100 over my career (mostly from UN bodies/ World Bank etc). I accept that there may be some cultural issues at play here because when I worked for the Government I also received lots of these and looked at lots of them when recruiting staff. In Africa we see lots of them.<br></div><div><br></div><div>As I sat in on the course I can say that it was definitely useful for participants. Ayden you will be happy that we looked at your personal comment (that you had circulated earlier) on the budget as resource material. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Now I am off to draft the exercise they have given us. A comment which will be less flowery, more concise and hopefully more effective than those I have experimented with in the past.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I do not know where the idea came from (I am sure it is in an email somewhere) but kudos to all involved including all those ensuring the smooth execution of this training event. I believe that it is this kind of initiative that will help the community grow both in numbers and expertise. I think it was a good thing that it was NCUC members only.<br></div><div><br></div><div>best<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:14 PM, Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div>+1 Stephanie<br></div><div><br></div><div>-Ayden <br></div><div><br></div><div id="m_-921843952203359117protonmail_mobile_signature_block">Sent from ProtonMail Mobile<br></div><div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:02, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div></div></div></div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-921843952203359117protonmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><p><span class="size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span class="font" style="font-family:Lucida Grande">I am certainly aware
of the needs for individuals and academic institutions to see
proof of participation, and to the extent that ICANN meetings
are free and open, there is not much in the way of validation
coming on that score. My point (several days ago) was simply
to query the merit of a certificate in terms of validation of
performance. Frankly, many commercial conferences in my area
of specialization provide certification for credits in ongoing
education, and in my view the programs have often been focused
on speakers whose sole purpose was marketing their firms'
services, not education. Thus my scepticism of such certs of
participation. Now, I am well aware that we are not doing
that here.....but I would suggest that we should at a minimum
specify how long the course is, whether there is any testing,
etc.....the certificate draft at present could cover a one
week course or a one hour course. Needs to be clear.</span></span><br></p><p><span class="size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span class="font" style="font-family:Lucida Grande">We are trying to
ensure professional standards of behaviour at ICANN, ensuring
that what we do is clear, rigorous, ethical, and does not
pretend to be something it is not. That is why I queried the
cert....participation at such a course does not strike me as
denoting anything, but I would be delighted to be proven wrong
on this, because we are <i><b>absolutely desperate</b></i> to
get more people contributing their skills to the writing and
reviewing of comments.</span></span><br></p><p><span class="size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span class="font" style="font-family:Lucida Grande">Note to Michael:
believe it or not, I am willing to bet that a PhD is a little
harder to get than this certificate, and means a tiny bit
more....<span class="m_-921843952203359117moz-smiley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span class="font" style="font-family:Lucida Grande">cheers Stephanie</span></span><br></p><p><span class="size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span class="font" style="font-family:Lucida Grande">PS I am anxious to
read the reviews of the course material, and would be
delighted (as a frequent comment drafter) to review that
course material if it is available. I am afraid I must have
missed it in the thread so would be grateful if someone
pointed me to it. Part of our duties as councillors for the
GNSO is to ensure we are getting value for money, and I take
that responsibility very seriously, as I am sure all the rest
of you do as well.</span></span> <br></p><div class="m_-921843952203359117moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-03-12 00:49, Olévié Kouami wrote: <br></div></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Greetings from Lomé, Togo (West Africa) <br></div><div> <br></div></div><div>+1 @Christopher<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div></div><div><div>It's always useful to get a certification (of participation, at least) in a course. <br></div><div> <br></div></div><div>My 2 xof<br></div><div> <br></div></div><div><div><br></div><div>Olevie <br></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">2018-03-10 7:20 GMT+00:00 Christopher Momanyi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cmomanyi@strathmore.edu">cmomanyi@strathmore.edu</a>></span>: <br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex" class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>I agree with <span id="m_-921843952203359117m_309552670092385582:1vs.1">Lucena's</span> comment. A document to show ones participation in an activity shows a persons engagement which in certain aspects may help his academic institution. Some institutions will ask how ones engagement will help his academic institution and on this basis one
may be granted permission to travel <br></div><div> <br></div></div><div>Regards<br></div><div> <br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_-921843952203359117h5"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On 9 March 2018 at 16:05, Cláudio Lucena <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:claudiokilla@gmail.com">claudiokilla@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote: <br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex" class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div>Another note, certificates are extremely useful for those of us who are working in universities, at least in Latin America, but certainly in other regions of the global south too, and definitely in other countries
like Spain and Portugal, where I have some experience. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Certifying activities makes it easier for us to inform them of our contribution, for them to track our engagement and the days we might be out, and more likely that they will allow us time to keep working
and engaged. It's a practice. <br></div><div><br></div><div>While helping at an NCUC booth at ICANN58 I saw a very interesting cultural shock between a fellow from Spain, who was looking for a certification of attendance to present back at his university, and a member
of the organizing committee in Denmark, who had no idea what he was talking about or why he would need such a thing.<br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" class="m_-921843952203359117m_309552670092385582m_908613581525007631gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span class="font" style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"></span><br></p><div style="font-size:13px"><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="colour" style="color:#000000">--</span></span><br></div><div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:13px"><div><span class="size" style="font-size:13px"><span class="colour" style="color:#B42347">Cláudio
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agree with Michael's comment,
but in general looks nice. I
would also suggest to mention
place (San Juan, Puerto Rico)
additionally to dates and to
add a line about what the
training was aimed at and what
skills trained.</span></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"></span></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">Best,</span></span><br></div><div><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">Olga
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марта 2018, 18:40:30, от
"Michael Karanicolas" <</span><a rel="noreferrer noopener" href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial">mkaranicolas@gmail.com</span></a><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial">>:</span></span></i><br></div><div><div class="m_-921843952203359117m_309552670092385582m_908613581525007631h5"><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex"><span><span><div>Hi. Looks good! I
would suggest that
NCUC and ICANN be
written out in full,
instead of
abbreviated, in case
the participants want
to share it with
people who don't speak
ICANN-ese though.<br></div><div><div><br></div><div><div>On Mon, Mar 5,
2018 at 12:36 PM,
Renata Aquino
Ribeiro <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="noreferrer
noopener" href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">raquino@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote: <br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex"><div>Dear all <br></div><div> <br></div><div>Good news! <br></div><div> <br></div><div>We were able to include 2 more great applications to NCUC Policy Course <br></div><div> <br></div><div>Caleb Olumuyia <br></div><div>Monica Trochez <br></div><div> <br></div><div>We were also sent the 1st draft of the certificate of participation <br></div><div> <a rel="noreferrer
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