<div dir="ltr">I am confused! Is it wrong for the chair to announce to the constituency when a member recieves a letter of confirmation of an opportunity in ICANN or to inform the constituency that a member previously selected is no longer selected due to a 'glitch'?<div>I agree with Dorothy, this was a public call, with public responses. So the list should know of 'glitches' to the selection.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>----<div>Tomslin </div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 4 March 2018 at 09:27, Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>From what I understand, ICANN did not publish the names of those chosen for this fellowship. It was announced prematurely on our list by the NCUC Chair. It was my perception that the Chair was trying to influence the GSE staff in her email to our list today, and I think that is improper.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ayden <br></div><div class="m_-5856547257165130579protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-5856547257165130579protonmail_signature_block-proton m_-5856547257165130579protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div> On 3 March 2018 11:17 PM, dorothy g <<a href="mailto:dgdorothydg@gmail.com" target="_blank">dgdorothydg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="m_-5856547257165130579protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>This public conversation is important. The call was public. The person selected was public. If the person will now not be able to attend due to a 'glitch' we should know. In my view the Chair made the right decision. <br></div><div>Personally I believe that if an organisation with the kind of resources available to ICANN makes this kind of 'glitch' it should cough up the resources to correct it. As the Chair correctly points out time and resources have been sacrificed from our side. This is not a personal issue between two individuals.<br></div><div><br></div><div>best<br></div><div>Dorothy<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 9:43 PM, Claire Craig <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:claireccraig@gmail.com" target="_blank">claireccraig@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all <br></div><div>Interesting discussion. I'm actually grateful that the Chair brought this out in the open to the list.Since everyone on the list knew when I received the fellowship, it was a bit awkward when I found out that it was not to be <span class="m_-5856547257165130579highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="m_-5856547257165130579colour" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span class="m_-5856547257165130579font" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span class="m_-5856547257165130579size" style="font-size:small"><span> </span>(through no fault of my own I must add)</span></span></span></span> as I was told "there was an administrative glitch". I wasn't sure if I should have said something about it on the list., so as soon as I found out I informed to the Chair. Nonetheless, I still thought that it would have been cleared up. However, it was confirmed recently, that the 'glitch' could not be corrected. This is life and these things happen, so we move on with the work at hand. I will continue to engage and learn and see how I can contribute to the NCUC. <br></div><div><br></div><div>CCC<br></div></div><div class="m_-5856547257165130579HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5856547257165130579h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On 3 March 2018 at 15:08, Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoront<wbr>o.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p><span class="m_-5856547257165130579size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span class="m_-5856547257165130579font" style="font-family:Lucida Grande">I agree with James and
Ayden. Some time ago, before the crazy rush that GDPR
compliance has brought to my own workload, I volunteered (to
Tapani) to come up with an ethics and privacy code to propose
to our membership in NCSG. I am sorry that I have been too
swamped to attend to this, as I think such a code would
provide more clarity in these matters. I will start this
soon, as soon as I have finished responding to the latest
ICANN models, and will circulate it for consideration in NCUC.</span></span><br></p><p><span class="m_-5856547257165130579size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span class="m_-5856547257165130579font" style="font-family:Lucida Grande">kind regards Stephanie
Perrin</span></span><br></p><div><div class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324h5"><div class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-03-03 13:33, James Gannon
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Agreed this is a vary strange action taken by the NCUC chair here
to bring this into a public forum without agreement from all
parties to the private mail conversation. <br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 3 Mar 2018, at 19:30, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div><div>Hi Renata,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I don't plan to continue engaging in this
conversation, other than to add that I feel very
strongly that this is something that should be taken
offline and dealt with privately. Thank you.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ayden <br></div><div class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141protonmail_signature_block-proton m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div>On 3 March 2018 7:26 PM, Renata Aquino
Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi <br></div></div><div>This was a call distributed in our
list, to which many members responded to and a
dozen or so members onlist and offlist asked
clarification, not counting those who
congratulated the member. <br></div></div><div><div>That being said, I'm sorry for your
impression. There are often unpleasant
conversations in ICANN that I would rather not
have and this is one.<br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Ayden
Férdeline <span dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div>Renata - I think it is highly
inappropriate to have this conversation on a
public mailing list. This should be taken
offline, and I am actually not sure that you
should be the one raising it. It is perhaps a
conversation to be had between the applicant and
GSE. Thank you.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ayden Férdeline <br></div><div class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141m_-2266823521661785542protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141m_-2266823521661785542protonmail_signature_block-proton
m_-2266823521661785542protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141h5"><div>On 3 March 2018 7:13 PM, Renata
Aquino Ribeiro <<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141m_-2266823521661785542protonmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>Dear Daniel<br></div></div><div>I'm copying NCUC
list. <br></div><div><br></div></div><div>I find it very
unfortunate recanting the
fellowship of Claire Craig.<br></div><div><br></div></div><div>She did the whole
process by the book - saw a call,
applied. <br></div><div><br></div></div><div>Knowing she was selected,
took time and efforts (possibly
including financial ones), to organize
herself to come to an ICANN meeting,
to volunteer to participate in ICANN
processes as she has been doing as an
NCUC member, accompanying our lists
and joining our online meetings. <br></div></div><div><div>As NCUC Chair, I would
like to see more respect to our
members.<br></div></div><div><div>People are not glitches.<br></div><div><br></div><div>To see decisions made
about them based on that is not
acceptable. <br></div></div><div><div>Community members are
always grateful for staff work but the
hard truth has also to be said, esp.
when decisions affect the collectivity
of our Constituency. <br></div></div><div>Hope this message is taken
into account before future decisions. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Renata<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at
6:38 PM, Daniel Fink <span dir="ltr"> <<a href="mailto:daniel.fink@icann.org" target="_blank">daniel.fink@icann.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" bgcolor="white"><div class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141m_-2266823521661785542m_9142007352853986973WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Claire<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Unfortunately,
we could not make for this batch
given the newcomers criteria, as
we talked in Port of Spain.
Apologies again for my
administrative glitch that
caused all confusion.<br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Please don’t
lose the enthusiasm, let’s work
together for the new round in
Barcelona. It will open this
March 20.<br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Best,<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><div><br></div><div>Daniel<br></div><p><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141colour"><span class="m_-5856547257165130579size" style="font-size:12pt">From: </span></span></b><span class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141colour"><span class="m_-5856547257165130579size" style="font-size:12pt">Claire Craig
<<a href="mailto:claireccraig@gmail.com" target="_blank">claireccraig@gmail.com</a>><br> <b>Date: </b>Thursday,
March 1, 2018 at 6:27 PM<br> <b>To: </b>Daniel
Fink <<a href="mailto:daniel.fink@icann.org" target="_blank">daniel.fink@icann.org</a>><br> <b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:chair@ncuc.org" target="_blank">chair@ncuc.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:chair@ncuc.org" target="_blank">chair@ncuc.org</a>>,
Rodrigo de la Parra <<a href="mailto:rodrigo.delaparra@icann.org" target="_blank">rodrigo.delaparra@icann.org</a>><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re:
[Ext] Fellowship Request
for ICANN 62 Policy Forum</span></span></p></div><span><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Daniel <br></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Have
you made a final decision
on this?<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Claire<br></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 14
February 2018 at 04:07,
Daniel Fink <<a href="mailto:daniel.fink@icann.org" target="_blank">daniel.fink@icann.org</a>>
wrote:<br></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear
Claire<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Hope
this message finds
you well. Thank you
very much for your
application.<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">I
am writing to inform
that your name has
been selected to
receive a fellowship
support to attend
ICANN 62 Policy
Forum, that will be
held in Panama this
25-28 Jun 2018.<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">In
this message, we
would like to:<br></p><ol type="1" start="1"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0cm">Ask
about your
availability to
travel to Panama
to attend the
meeting (with
expenses covered
by the Fellowship
program);<br></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0cm">Schedule
a quick Skype or
phone call this
week (preferably
this February 14<sup>th</sup>)
to provide you
more details.
Please let me know
your phone number
or Skype ID.<br></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal">If
you prefer, feel
free to add me on
Skype. My ID is
danielfink.<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thank
you for your
attention and hope
to talk with you
soon.<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Best
regards,<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Daniel<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141colour"><span class="m_-5856547257165130579size" style="font-size:12pt">From: </span></span></b><span class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141colour"><span class="m_-5856547257165130579size" style="font-size:12pt">Claire Craig <<a href="mailto:claireccraig@gmail.com" target="_blank">claireccraig@gmail.com</a>><br> <b>Date: </b>Tuesday,
February 6,
2018 at 3:52
PM<br> <b>To: </b>Daniel
Fink <<a href="mailto:daniel.fink@icann.org" target="_blank">daniel.fink@icann.org</a>><br> <b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:chair@ncuc.org" target="_blank">chair@ncuc.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:chair@ncuc.org" target="_blank">chair@ncuc.org</a>><br> <b>Subject: </b>[Ext]
Fellowship
Request for
ICANN 62
Policy Forum</span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi
Daniel <br></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I
hope it's not
too late to
indicate my
interest in a
fellowship to
the ICANN 62
Policy Forum.
I am a
newcomer on
the NCUC and
have
participate in
the Policy
Committee
calls. I think
it would be a
good
opportunity to
have the
face-to-face
experience
since becoming
a member of
the NCUC. <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Please
see attached
the essay
supporting
this
application. <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I
do hope you
will look
favorably upon
my
application. <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Claire
Craig<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div></span></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br></div><div> Ncuc-discuss mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br></div><div> <a href="https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss" class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank">https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin<wbr>/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss</a><br></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><pre class="m_-5856547257165130579m_-2436062214310569324m_-2677374011496621141moz-quote-pre">______________________________<wbr>_________________
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