<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">I know, that’s why I was suggesting it, and proposed a second email conversation…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class="">Martín</div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 8, 2017, at 5:10 PM, thomascovenant <<a href="mailto:thomascovenant@thomascovenant.org" class="">thomascovenant@thomascovenant.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Hi Martin,</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">you are free to start a new mail thread with specific points you want</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">to address.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Metrics, success, process etc. of the program you mention are indeed out</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">of scope of this discussion - reviewing the program by NCUC also wasn't</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">suggested at any point.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">BR,</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">thomas</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">* * *</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Dina Solveig Jalkanen</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">thomascovenant</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Friendly geek in Amsterdam chaos</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant</a><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On 08.11.2017 21:31, Martin Pablo Silva Valent wrote:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Ayden,<br class="">I am stating that this could be part of broader work, since Dina’s<br class="">concern is not personal, but affects many. So, of course we will all<br class="">help Dina to address this issue on her own right as she desires to, but<br class="">as a community, I am proposing to open a broader group to work this and<br class="">other issues in a coordinated and informed manner.<br class=""><br class="">Therefore, I encourage that, if anyone has doubts or concerns on this<br class="">program, we can start another email discussion and continue there to<br class="">work together. We can do questionnaire, gather data and draft our<br class="">points. Like we do with any other issue.<br class=""><br class="">cheers,<br class="">Martin<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Nov 8, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a><br class=""><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class="">mailto:icann@ferdeline.com</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hi Martín,<br class=""><br class="">I would respectfully suggest that we limit our conversation for now to<br class="">the privacy issue that Dina has raised in relation to the fellowship<br class="">programme. We can discuss other, broader issues with the fellowship<br class="">programme too, but maybe off-list or at least under a different<br class="">subject line. Personally, I have enough concerns with the programme to<br class="">fill two books — however for now I think it is more productive that we<br class="">focus our efforts on this very legitimate issue that Dina has raised?<br class="">And to that end, Dina, if you decide to send your concerns through to<br class="">ICANN's Chief Data Protection Officer and I can help in any way,<br class="">please do reach out to me.<br class=""><br class="">Best wishes, Ayden<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">-------- Original Message --------<br class="">Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues within Fellowship Program<br class="">Local Time: 8 November 2017 7:13 PM<br class="">UTC Time: 8 November 2017 19:13<br class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" class="">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" class="">mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a>><br class="">To: Mamadou LO <<a href="mailto:alfamamadou@hotmail.com" class="">alfamamadou@hotmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:alfamamadou@hotmail.com" class="">mailto:alfamamadou@hotmail.com</a>>><br class="">Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class="">mailto:icann@ferdeline.com</a>>>,<br class="">NCUC Discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" class="">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br class=""><<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" class="">mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>>><br class=""><br class="">Mamadou,<br class="">For the last couple of month I’ve participated in many conversations<br class="">were people wanted to know more about the metrics and process of the<br class="">Fellowship. Some had doubts or concerns, like the Privacy issue Dina<br class="">brought up. Instead of improvising here and there we could organize<br class="">information for those who want to look at it.<br class=""><br class="">Cheers,<br class="">Martín<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Nov 8, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Mamadou LO <<a href="mailto:alfamamadou@hotmail.com" class="">alfamamadou@hotmail.com</a><br class=""><<a href="mailto:alfamamadou@hotmail.com" class="">mailto:alfamamadou@hotmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hi Martin<br class="">I'm alumni of the fellowship programme but I did not know/aware of<br class="">those concerns you raised. Can you be more clear?<br class="">Mamadou<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-------- Message d'origine --------<br class="">De : Martin Pablo Silva Valent <<a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" class="">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a><br class=""><<a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" class="">mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a>>><br class="">Date : 08/11/2017 18:57 (GMT+00:00)<br class="">À : Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class="">mailto:icann@ferdeline.com</a>>><br class="">Cc : NCUC Discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" class="">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br class=""><<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" class="">mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>>><br class="">Objet : Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues within Fellowship Program<br class=""><br class="">Concerns on different issues around the fellowship have raised among<br class="">the community, Privacy is only one of those. This is an attempt to<br class="">create and effective action toward those concerns, privacy included. <br class=""><br class="">Pretty straight forward!<br class=""><br class="">Martín<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Nov 8, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a><br class=""><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class="">mailto:icann@ferdeline.com</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">I'm sorry, Martin, but I am confused. How does any of this relate<br class="">to the original point that Dina raised, which was the lack of<br class="">awareness among ICANN staff re: privacy? Thanks.<br class=""><br class="">Best wishes, Ayden<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">-------- Original Message --------<br class="">Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues within Fellowship Program<br class="">Local Time: 8 November 2017 4:28 PM<br class="">UTC Time: 8 November 2017 16:28<br class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" class="">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" class="">mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a>><br class="">To: Glenn McKnight <<a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" class="">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a><br class=""><<a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" class="">mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a>>><br class="">NCUC Discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" class="">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br class=""><<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" class="">mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>>><br class=""><br class="">Hi guys,<br class="">In the hope of helping addressing this concerns, I’ve gathered a<br class="">few links of material on the fellowship already public. I<br class="">understand they are updating some things, like the privacy<br class="">provision in the Terms and web stuff.<br class="">Some metrics of the last 10 yeas can be found in the 2017 survey<br class="">report as well. And I am confident that we could gather a<br class="">questioner for the staff to answer, and eventually a letter of<br class="">recommendations or comments. This could help level the information<br class="">and clarify doubts, a good way to structure the issue and put<br class="">forward an concrete action.<br class=""><br class="">Fellowship main page:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.icann.org/fellowshipprogram" class="">https://www.icann.org/fellowshipprogram</a><br class=""><<a href="https://www.icann.org/fellowshipprogram" class="">https://www.icann.org/fellowshipprogram</a>><br class="">Terms:<br class=""><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/terms-conditions-2012-02-25-en" class="">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/terms-conditions-2012-02-25-en</a><br class=""><<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/terms-conditions-2012-02-25-en" class="">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/terms-conditions-2012-02-25-en</a>><br class="">Selection criteria:<br class=""><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-applicant-criteria-2016-09-08-en" class="">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-applicant-criteria-2016-09-08-en</a><br class=""><<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-applicant-criteria-2016-09-08-en" class="">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-applicant-criteria-2016-09-08-en</a>><br class="">Selection Committee:<br class=""><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/committee-2012-02-25-en" class="">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/committee-2012-02-25-en</a><br class=""><<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/committee-2012-02-25-en" class="">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/committee-2012-02-25-en</a>><br class="">FAQs:<br class=""><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-faqs-2015-07-10-en" class="">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-faqs-2015-07-10-en</a><<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-faqs-2015-07-10-en" class="">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-faqs-2015-07-10-en</a>><br class="">10 yeas survey report:<br class=""><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icann-fellowship-program-10-year-survey-dprd-28jun17-en.pdf" class="">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icann-fellowship-program-10-year-survey-dprd-28jun17-en.pdf</a><br class=""><<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icann-fellowship-program-10-year-survey-dprd-28jun17-en.pdf" class="">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icann-fellowship-program-10-year-survey-dprd-28jun17-en.pdf</a>><br class=""><br class="">Other part also might have some relevant data (you need to dive in<br class="">a little to grasp the numbers):<br class="">Financial<br class="">reports: <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/current-en" class="">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/current-en</a><br class=""><br class="">There were some blog post as well:<br class="">Part<br class="">1: <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-part-one-of-a-four-part-blog-series" class="">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-part-one-of-a-four-part-blog-series</a><br class="">Part 2: <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit" class="">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit</a><br class="">Part 3: <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-en" class="">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-en</a><br class="">Part<br class="">4: <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-0edb9f60-6898-4121-a0e3-5865c9a4106d" class="">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-0edb9f60-6898-4121-a0e3-5865c9a4106d</a><br class=""><br class="">I’ve seen many times around that a lot of the concerns on the<br class="">fellowship are actually misinformation, weather the facts are not<br class="">known or are wrong. And is very easy to build on those mistakes or<br class="">half/trues to later find out the whole analysis has to be rebuilt,<br class="">or becomes and ineffective action. So I would suggest we first try<br class="">to scope the data on this, level our concepts so we can define<br class="">concerns and eventually give an opinion.<br class=""><br class="">For instance, in evaluating the merit of the program we have to<br class="">understand the initial goal, there is no use in assuming or<br class="">improvising the goal of the program, is written and when measuring<br class="">the success we should go back to it. We can also discuss if the<br class="">current goal, met or not and by how much, is the goal we think is<br class="">best. Again, flying ideas without actually going through this<br class="">process are not helpful. "Scaling back the program", something<br class="">I’ve heard a lot and personally might even agree, is a valid idea,<br class="">but we should only recommend it if we fully understand the whole<br class="">data and concepts, not just because we “feel” it, we have a strong<br class="">intuition or it seems reasonable given what we know from other stuff.<br class=""><br class="">I volunteer to lead a group to review fellowship and other<br class="">onboarding/outreach/capacity building programs, if that’s what<br class="">NCUC/NCSG members are interested. <br class=""><br class="">Cheers to all,<br class="">Martin Silva<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Glenn McKnight<br class=""><<a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" class="">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" class="">mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Another interesting document to read is from a few years ago when<br class="">they asked for community feedback and they did a comparison to<br class="">other fellowship program<br class=""><br class="">Not sure where it is.<br class=""><br class="">As to the privacy stuff. I assume Siranush is still getting used<br class="">to the job and and she will work out these issues in due time. <br class=""><br class="">G<br class=""><br class="">Glenn McKnight<br class="">NARALO Secretariat<br class=""><a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" class="">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" class="">mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a>><br class="">skype gmcknight<br class="">twitter gmcknight<br class="">289-830 6259<br class="">.<br class=""><br class="">On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Chenai Chair <<a href="mailto:chrche001@gmail.com" class="">chrche001@gmail.com</a><br class=""><<a href="mailto:chrche001@gmail.com" class="">mailto:chrche001@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> Thanks Glenn! super useful to read this and reflect on the<br class=""> fellowship process<br class=""><br class=""> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Glenn McKnight<br class=""> <<a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" class="">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" class="">mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a>>><br class=""> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> Here is the Fellowship survey I converted to a Ebook<br class=""><br class=""> <a href="http://online.fliphtml5.com/gnel/jjgd/" class="">http://online.fliphtml5.com/gnel/jjgd/</a><br class=""> <<a href="http://online.fliphtml5.com/gnel/jjgd/" class="">http://online.fliphtml5.com/gnel/jjgd/</a>><br class=""><br class=""> G<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> Glenn McKnight<br class=""> NARALO Secretariat<br class=""> <a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" class="">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" class="">mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a>><br class=""> skype gmcknight<br class=""> twitter gmcknight<br class=""> 289-830 6259 <tel:(289)%20830-6259><br class=""> .<br class=""><br class=""> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:21 AM, Shreedeep Rayamajhi<br class=""> <<a href="mailto:rayamajhishreedeep@gmail.com" class="">rayamajhishreedeep@gmail.com</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:rayamajhishreedeep@gmail.com" class="">mailto:rayamajhishreedeep@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> I think there should be some level of privacy to be<br class=""> attained in regards while handling personal<br class=""> information. People do give their information with<br class=""> trust and it should be handled with care in terms of<br class=""> the after the purposes is finished. It should be the<br class=""> responsibility of the receiver to assure there is no<br class=""> unauthorized use of the information. <br class=""><br class=""> May be a process has to be initiated that after the<br class=""> completion of the purpose the information is stopped<br class=""> from passing on. <br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> Regards <br class=""> Shreedeep Rayamajhi<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> On Nov 8, 2017 5:41 PM, "thomascovenant"<br class=""> <<a href="mailto:thomascovenant@thomascovenant.org" class="">thomascovenant@thomascovenant.org</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:thomascovenant@thomascovenant.org" class="">mailto:thomascovenant@thomascovenant.org</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> Hi Ayden,<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">And I have noted programmes, such as the global<br class=""></blockquote> indigenous ambassador<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">programme, have their application form on a<br class=""></blockquote> Google Form<br class=""><br class=""> - You are correct. I have just joined the<br class=""> Indigenous Program and we will<br class=""> address this by the next application round.<br class=""><br class=""> +1 on other points made<br class=""><br class=""> Great meeting you in person during ICANN60,<br class=""><br class=""> thomas<br class=""><br class=""> --<br class=""> Jalkanen Dina Solveig<br class=""> * * *<br class=""> Friendly geek in Amsterdam, happy FSFE and EFF member<br class=""> <a href="https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant" class="">https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant</a><br class=""> <<a href="https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant" class="">https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant</a>><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> On 08.11.2017 11:02, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I think it is reasonable to say that ICANN, as<br class=""></blockquote> an organisation, has no<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">awareness of privacy or why it is important.<br class=""><br class="">Indeed, the recently appointed Chief Data<br class=""></blockquote> Protection Officer has no<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">background in privacy or data protection.<br class=""></blockquote> (Seriously.)<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">And I have noted programmes, such as the global<br class=""></blockquote> indigenous ambassador<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">programme, have their application form on a<br class=""></blockquote> Google Form where one can<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">even read all of the candidate's applications,<br class=""></blockquote> including the candidate's<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">address, if they so desire.<br class=""><br class="">None of this is acceptable Dina, and I would<br class=""></blockquote> encourage you to write to<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">the CDPO, Daniel Halloran, to document this<br class=""></blockquote> incident.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">We will have more recourses at our disposal<br class=""></blockquote> from next May when<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">enforcement of GDPR is in effect to take this<br class=""></blockquote> complaint further, but for<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">now, it is important we can show that we have<br class=""></blockquote> been repeatedly making<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">ICANN the organisation aware of its failure to<br class=""></blockquote> protect the personal data<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">that it collects and retains. <br class=""><br class="">—Ayden<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">-------- Original Message --------<br class="">Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote> within Fellowship Program<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Local Time: 8 November 2017 8:25 AM<br class="">UTC Time: 8 November 2017 08:25<br class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" class="">raquino@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" class="">mailto:raquino@gmail.com</a>><br class="">To: NCUC-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" class="">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote> <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" class="">mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>>><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Hi<br class=""><br class="">The leakage of private information is indeed<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote> an issue.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">I was in an associated program w/ the<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote> Fellowship this time so did not<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">get the email that Dina mentioned.<br class=""><br class="">I remember in previous editions of Fellowship<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote> program, I discussed<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">basic privacy configurations - like telling<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote> people how to protect an<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">online Google Spreadsheet. So there is a lack<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote> also of staff, tools and<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">other provisions to protect managing fellows'<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote> data.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">I think we need to go via an educational route<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote> here.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">This is an international group, fastly<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote> organized and disorganized and<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">it may as well be that fellows have their own<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote> data gathering<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">initiatives for social purposes or whatever.<br class=""><br class="">The idea of a workshop or a discussion about<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote> privacy sounds like a<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">good route.<br class=""><br class="">Best,<br class=""><br class="">Renata<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Ncuc-discuss mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" class="">Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote> <<a href="mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" class="">mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" class="">mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" class="">mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>>><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br 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