<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Ayden,</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I am stating that this could be part of broader work, since Dina’s concern is not personal, but affects many. So, of course we will all help Dina to address this issue on her own right as she desires to, but as a community, I am proposing to open a broader group to work this and other issues in a coordinated and informed manner.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Therefore, I encourage that, if anyone has doubts or concerns on this program, we can start another email discussion and continue there to work together. We can do questionnaire, gather data and draft our points. Like we do with any other issue.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">cheers,</div><div class="">Martin</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 8, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Hi Martín,<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would respectfully suggest that we limit our conversation for now to the privacy issue that Dina has raised in relation to the fellowship programme. We can discuss other, broader issues with the fellowship programme too, but maybe off-list or at least under a different subject line. Personally, I have enough concerns with the programme to fill two books — however for now I think it is more productive that we focus our efforts on this very legitimate issue that Dina has raised? And to that end, Dina, if you decide to send your concerns through to ICANN's Chief Data Protection Officer and I can help in any way, please do reach out to me.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best wishes, Ayden<br class=""></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div class="">-------- Original Message --------<br class=""></div><div class="">Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues within Fellowship Program<br class=""></div><div class="">Local Time: 8 November 2017 7:13 PM<br class=""></div><div class="">UTC Time: 8 November 2017 19:13<br class=""></div><div class="">From: <a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" class="">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a><br class=""></div><div class="">To: Mamadou LO <<a href="mailto:alfamamadou@hotmail.com" class="">alfamamadou@hotmail.com</a>><br class=""></div><div class="">Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>, NCUC Discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" class="">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Mamadou,<br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class="Apple-tab-span"></span>For the last couple of month I’ve participated in many conversations were people wanted to know more about the metrics and process of the Fellowship. Some had doubts or concerns, like the Privacy issue Dina brought up. Instead of improvising here and there we could organize information for those who want to look at it.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,<br class=""></div><div class="">Martín<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote class="" type="cite"><div class="">On Nov 8, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Mamadou LO <<a class="" href="mailto:alfamamadou@hotmail.com">alfamamadou@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class="">Hi Martin<br class=""></div><div class="">I'm alumni of the fellowship programme but I did not know/aware of those concerns you raised. Can you be more clear?<br class=""></div><div class="">Mamadou<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="" style="font-size:85%; color:#575757" dir="auto">Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.<br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-------- Message d'origine --------<br class=""></div><div class="">De : Martin Pablo Silva Valent <<a class="" href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a>><br class=""></div><div class="">Date : 08/11/2017 18:57 (GMT+00:00)<br class=""></div><div class="">À : Ayden Férdeline <<a class="" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br class=""></div><div class="">Cc : NCUC Discuss <<a class="" href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br class=""></div><div class="">Objet : Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues within Fellowship Program<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Concerns on different issues around the fellowship have raised among the community, Privacy is only one of those. This is an attempt to create and effective action toward those concerns, privacy included. <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Pretty straight forward!<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Martín<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote class="" type="cite"><div class="">On Nov 8, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Ayden Férdeline <<a class="" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">I'm sorry, Martin, but I am confused. How does any of this relate to the original point that Dina raised, which was the lack of awareness among ICANN staff re: privacy? Thanks.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best wishes, Ayden<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><div class="">-------- Original Message --------<br class=""></div><div class="">Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues within Fellowship Program<br class=""></div><div class="">Local Time: 8 November 2017 4:28 PM<br class=""></div><div class="">UTC Time: 8 November 2017 16:28<br class=""></div><div class="">From: <a class="" href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a><br class=""></div><div class="">To: Glenn McKnight <<a class="" href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a>><br class=""></div><div class="">NCUC Discuss <<a class="" href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hi guys,<br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class="Apple-tab-span"></span>In the hope of helping addressing this concerns, I’ve gathered a few links of material on the fellowship already public. I understand they are updating some things, like the privacy provision
in the Terms and web stuff.<br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class="Apple-tab-span"></span>Some metrics of the last 10 yeas can be found in the 2017 survey report as well. And I am confident that we could gather a questioner for the staff to answer, and eventually a letter
of recommendations or comments. This could help level the information and clarify doubts, a good way to structure the issue and put forward an concrete action.<br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Fellowship main page: <a href="https://www.icann.org/fellowshipprogram" class=""> https://www.icann.org/fellowshipprogram</a><br class=""></div></div><div class="">Terms: <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/terms-conditions-2012-02-25-en" class=""> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/terms-conditions-2012-02-25-en</a><br class=""></div><div class="">Selection criteria: <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-applicant-criteria-2016-09-08-en" class=""> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-applicant-criteria-2016-09-08-en</a><br class=""></div><div class="">Selection Committee: <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/committee-2012-02-25-en" class=""> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/committee-2012-02-25-en</a><br class=""></div><div class="">FAQs: <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-faqs-2015-07-10-en" class=""> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowship-faqs-2015-07-10-en</a><br class=""></div><div class="">10 yeas survey report: <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icann-fellowship-program-10-year-survey-dprd-28jun17-en.pdf" class=""> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icann-fellowship-program-10-year-survey-dprd-28jun17-en.pdf</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Other part also might have some relevant data (you need to dive in a little to grasp the numbers):<br class=""></div><div class="">Financial reports: <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/current-en" class="">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/current-en</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There were some blog post as well:<br class=""></div><div class="">Part 1: <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-part-one-of-a-four-part-blog-series" class="">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-part-one-of-a-four-part-blog-series</a><br class=""></div><div class="">Part 2: <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit" class="">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit</a><br class=""></div><div class="">Part 3: <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-en" class="">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-en</a><br class=""></div><div class="">Part 4: <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-0edb9f60-6898-4121-a0e3-5865c9a4106d" class="">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-fellowship-spirit-0edb9f60-6898-4121-a0e3-5865c9a4106d</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class="Apple-tab-span"></span>I’ve seen many times around that a lot of the concerns on the fellowship are actually misinformation, weather the facts are not known or are wrong. And is very easy to build on those
mistakes or half/trues to later find out the whole analysis has to be rebuilt, or becomes and ineffective action. So I would suggest we first try to scope the data on this, level our concepts so we can define concerns and eventually give an opinion.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class="Apple-tab-span"></span>For instance, in evaluating the merit of the program we have to understand the initial goal, there is no use in assuming or improvising the goal of the program, is written and when measuring
the success we should go back to it. We can also discuss if the current goal, met or not and by how much, is the goal we think is best. Again, flying ideas without actually going through this process are not helpful. "Scaling back the program", something I’ve
heard a lot and personally might even agree, is a valid idea, but we should only recommend it if we fully understand the whole data and concepts, not just because we “feel” it, we have a strong intuition or it seems reasonable given what we know from other
stuff.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class="Apple-tab-span"></span>I volunteer to lead a group to review fellowship and other onboarding/outreach/capacity building programs, if that’s what NCUC/NCSG members are interested. <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers to all,<br class=""></div><div class="">Martin Silva<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 8, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Glenn McKnight <<a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" class="">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Another interesting document to read is from a few years ago when they asked for community feedback and they did a comparison to other fellowship program<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Not sure where it is.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">As to the privacy stuff. I assume Siranush is still getting used to the job and and she will work out these issues in due time. <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">G<br class=""></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Glenn McKnight<br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">NARALO Secretariat<br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" class="">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a><br class=""></div><div class="">skype gmcknight<br class=""></div><div class="">twitter gmcknight<br class=""></div></div><div class=""><div class="">289-830 6259<br class=""></div><div class="">.<br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Chenai Chair <span dir="ltr" class=""> <<a href="mailto:chrche001@gmail.com" class="">chrche001@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">Thanks Glenn! super useful to read this and reflect on the fellowship process<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Glenn McKnight <span dir="ltr" class=""> <<a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" class="">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Here is the Fellowship survey I converted to a Ebook<br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://online.fliphtml5.com/gnel/jjgd/" class="">http://online.fliphtml5.com/gn<wbr class="">el/jjgd/</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">G<br class=""></div><span class="m_4109406377847574174HOEnZb"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(136, 136, 136)"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></span></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span class="m_4109406377847574174HOEnZb"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(136, 136, 136)"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="m_4109406377847574174m_8476407003265066693gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Glenn McKnight<br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">NARALO Secretariat<br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" class="">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a><br class=""></div><div class="">skype gmcknight<br class=""></div><div class="">twitter gmcknight<br class=""></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><a href="tel:(289)%20830-6259" value="+12898306259" class="">289-830 6259</a><br class=""></div><div class="">.<br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></span></span><div class=""><div class="m_4109406377847574174h5"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:21 AM, Shreedeep Rayamajhi <span dir="ltr" class=""> <<a href="mailto:rayamajhishreedeep@gmail.com" class="">rayamajhishreedeep@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><div class="">I think there should be some level of privacy to be attained in regards while handling personal information. People do give their information with trust and it should be handled with care in terms of the after the purposes is finished. It should
be the responsibility of the receiver to assure there is no unauthorized use of the information. <br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">May be a process has to be initiated that after the completion of the purpose the information is stopped from passing on. <br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Regards <br class=""></div><span class="m_4109406377847574174m_8476407003265066693HOEnZb"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(136, 136, 136)"><div dir="auto" class="">Shreedeep Rayamajhi<br class=""></div></span></span><div class=""><div class="m_4109406377847574174m_8476407003265066693h5"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">On Nov 8, 2017 5:41 PM, "thomascovenant" <<a href="mailto:thomascovenant@thomascovenant.org" class="">thomascovenant@thomascovenant<wbr class="">.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div class="">Hi Ayden,<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">> And I have noted programmes, such as the global indigenous ambassador<br class=""></div><div class="">> programme, have their application form on a Google Form<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- You are correct. I have just joined the Indigenous Program and we will<br class=""></div><div class="">address this by the next application round.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">+1 on other points made<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Great meeting you in person during ICANN60,<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">thomas<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">--<br class=""></div><div class="">Jalkanen Dina Solveig<br class=""></div><div class="">* * *<br class=""></div><div class="">Friendly geek in Amsterdam, happy FSFE and EFF member<br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/User:Thomascovenant" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.<wbr class="">php/User:Thomascovenant</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On 08.11.2017 11:02, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br class=""></div><div class="">> I think it is reasonable to say that ICANN, as an organisation, has no<br class=""></div><div class="">> awareness of privacy or why it is important.<br class=""></div><div class="">><br class=""></div><div class="">> Indeed, the recently appointed Chief Data Protection Officer has no<br class=""></div><div class="">> background in privacy or data protection. (Seriously.)<br class=""></div><div class="">><br class=""></div><div class="">> And I have noted programmes, such as the global indigenous ambassador<br class=""></div><div class="">> programme, have their application form on a Google Form where one can<br class=""></div><div class="">> even read all of the candidate's applications, including the candidate's<br class=""></div><div class="">> address, if they so desire.<br class=""></div><div class="">><br class=""></div><div class="">> None of this is acceptable Dina, and I would encourage you to write to<br class=""></div><div class="">> the CDPO, Daniel Halloran, to document this incident.<br class=""></div><div class="">><br class=""></div><div class="">> We will have more recourses at our disposal from next May when<br class=""></div><div class="">> enforcement of GDPR is in effect to take this complaint further, but for<br class=""></div><div class="">> now, it is important we can show that we have been repeatedly making<br class=""></div><div class="">> ICANN the organisation aware of its failure to protect the personal data<br class=""></div><div class="">> that it collects and retains. <br class=""></div><div class="">><br class=""></div><div class="">> —Ayden<br class=""></div><div class="">><br class=""></div><div class="">><br class=""></div><div class="">>> -------- Original Message --------<br class=""></div><div class="">>> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Privacy issues within Fellowship Program<br class=""></div><div class="">>> Local Time: 8 November 2017 8:25 AM<br class=""></div><div class="">>> UTC Time: 8 November 2017 08:25<br class=""></div><div class="">>> From: <a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" class="">raquino@gmail.com</a><br class=""></div><div class="">>> To: NCUC-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" class="">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br class=""></div><div class="">>><br class=""></div><div class="">>> Hi<br class=""></div><div class="">>><br class=""></div><div class="">>> The leakage of private information is indeed an issue.<br class=""></div><div class="">>><br class=""></div><div class="">>> I was in an associated program w/ the Fellowship this time so did not<br class=""></div><div class="">>> get the email that Dina mentioned.<br class=""></div><div class="">>><br class=""></div><div class="">>> I remember in previous editions of Fellowship program, I discussed<br class=""></div><div class="">>> basic privacy configurations - like telling people how to protect an<br class=""></div><div class="">>> online Google Spreadsheet. So there is a lack also of staff, tools and<br class=""></div><div class="">>> other provisions to protect managing fellows' data.<br class=""></div><div class="">>><br class=""></div><div class="">>> I think we need to go via an educational route here.<br class=""></div><div class="">>><br class=""></div><div class="">>> This is an international group, fastly organized and disorganized and<br class=""></div><div class="">>> it may as well be that fellows have their own data gathering<br class=""></div><div class="">>> initiatives for social purposes or whatever.<br class=""></div><div class="">>><br class=""></div><div class="">>> The idea of a workshop or a discussion about privacy sounds like a<br class=""></div><div class="">>> good route.<br class=""></div><div class="">>><br class=""></div><div class="">>> Best,<br class=""></div><div class="">>><br class=""></div><div class="">>> Renata<br class=""></div><div class="">>> ------------------------------<wbr 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