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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I like it.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-10-28 05:50, Mueller, Milton L
wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">If no one objects I will accept this suggestion
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<pre wrap="">-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Karanicolas [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com">mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com</a>]
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 4:26 AM
To: Mueller, Milton L <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu"><milton@gatech.edu></a>
Cc: NCUC-discuss <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org"><ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org></a>
Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Revised NCUC Statement on Domain Abuse and
the Avoidance of Content Regulation
Hi,
Looks like a very good statement. I just have a small point, with regard to the
phrase "and whether hate speech -- illegal under some nations’ laws and
accord[ed] the highest protection under others -- was legitimate or not." Are
there any countries other than the United States which do not have any hate
speech laws? I am not aware of any, which makes the presentation of this
division seem a little misleading. And even for the United States, I'm not sure
it's accurate to describe hate speech as being accorded "the highest
protection" - surely it's protected in line with other forms of speech, but not
above them.
I would suggest this be rephrased to "and whether hate speech, whose
definition and legal status varies from country to country, was legitimate or
not." I think that makes it seem less US-focused.
Best wishes and congratulations on this great work,
Michael Karanicolas
On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Mueller, Milton L <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu"><milton@gatech.edu></a>
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<pre wrap="">I have accepted and rejected various suggestions regarding the Statement.
Please take a look
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<pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1voPCb3EIi__umZ1b2RCwkWhyn9wjnL">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1voPCb3EIi__umZ1b2RCwkWhyn9wjnL</a>
AkiW
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One commenter suggested that we make it a NCSG statement not just a
NCUC statement. That is fine with me, but best to take a two-step
process and start with NCUC – NPOC can then pass the same statement
and it becomes a NCSG statement.
From: Ncuc-discuss [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org">mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>] On
Behalf Of Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:14 PM
To: Farell Folly <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:farellfolly@gmail.com"><farellfolly@gmail.com></a>
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Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Fwd: [call for comment] NCUC Statement on
Domain Abuse and the Avoidance of Content Regulation
Dear All,
Firstly, thank you Milton for drafting the initial draft statement; I
have incorporated comments within the Draft and also read others
comments and draft revisions to the original statement; In summary,
noting that within ICANN, there has been debate on what constitutes
domain abuse and where there are two sides of the fence where on one
hand you have people advocating for taking down a domain that has any
hint of misbehavior and the other side who feel that Registries and
Registrars have no responsibility towards a clean domain space.
Domain abuse by the most common definition means domains registered
for phishing, malware, botnets and domains advertised in spam. Most
countries and jurisdictions declare these as illegal and harmful.
There have been other internet stakeholders that consider other types
of domain misuse just as abusive and illegal. Some examples include
intellectual property infringement, copyright, trademark violations
and certain types of what people may perceive to be objectionable content.
In my personal opinion, abuse causes well defined harm to many
organizations and individuals including Registries and Registrars.
Consider the abuse of domain names to commit fraud during times of
escalated crisis, where fake red cross domains soliciting donations
aside from the spam that exploits one of the Pacific ccTLDs, ".pw" and a host
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<pre wrap="">of other "abuse examples"
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<pre wrap="">In Europe, with domain name abuse related to ".eu", there are ADR
Mechanisms aside not prejudicing the rights of EU Nationals to seek
redress through the Courts.
Spam is not less harmful than other forms of abuse since it is used to
propagate phishing and malware sites threatening the security and not
to mention at great economic cost to countries and to the average end user.
Countries from least developed communities (LDCs) are severely
impacted cost-wise and access wise.
The Global Consumer Research 2015 study which looked at 6144 consumer
responses revealed that 74% highlighted phishing, 79% highlighted
spamming and 40% highlighted cybersquatting.
Whilst from inception, Registries and Registrars traditionally did not
include within their contractual obligations to mitigate abuse.
Calls from the end users and regulators across different jurisdictions
have shaped and influenced the evolution and push to bringing more
accountability primarily amongst the Registrars and Registries.
I believe that a key component is reducing the time to harm and
removing the domain from the DNS as soon as reasonably possible once
it is identified as harmful.
The 2017 Base Registry Agreement has provisions which say, "Registry
Operator shall take reasonable steps to investigate and respond to any
reports from law enforcement and governmental and quasi-governmental
agencies of illegal conduct in connection with the use of the TLD. In
responding to such reports, Registry Operator will not be required to
take any action in contravention of applicable law".
In asking ICANN to define "Domain Abuse" we make it the Nexus which we
are really trying to avoid when instead we let the community define
what is Domain Abuse but what I suggest we do, is that in noting that
ICANN is just one player in the entire ecosystem, we push regulation
to the fringes whilst encouraging ICANN to continue what it is doing
which is to espouse the safe and responsible creation of domains and use of
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<pre wrap="">These are additional thoughts to comments placed in the Statement that
Milton drafted.
I wish you all well in Abu Dhabi.
Kind Regards,
Sala
Dear all,
Here is a draft NCUC statement on ICANN and content regulation which
Milton Mueller has penned.
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<pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1voPCb3EIi__umZ1b2RCwkWhyn9wjnL">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1voPCb3EIi__umZ1b2RCwkWhyn9wjnL</a>
AkiW
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According to our timeline for issuing statements, the pen holder
drafts the statement sent to the list for comments. We will have 24
hours to comment on the statement. The penholder or a member of EC
will resolve the comments and finalize the draft and get it adopted by the
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<pre wrap="">majority of the NCUC votes.
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If we can adopt the statement we will announce it on Tuesday during
our constituency day.
Please comment and make suggestions.
I’ll see some of you soon in Abu Dhabi.
Those of you who will participate remotely i will make sure that we
will keep you engaged in the meetings. If you don’t have time to
participate, Ill send regular updates to the mailing list.
Best
Farzaneh
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