<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Michael’s suggestion adds clearness to the statement.<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 28 Oct 2017, at 13:54, Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Indeed a good statement ! Second Michael's suggestion! </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-28 7:50 GMT-02:00 Mueller, Milton L <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">If no one objects I will accept this suggestion<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Michael Karanicolas [mailto:<a href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com">mkaranicolas@gmail.com</a><wbr>]<br>
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 4:26 AM<br>
> To: Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br>
> Cc: NCUC-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br>
</span><span class="im HOEnZb">> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Revised NCUC Statement on Domain Abuse and<br>
> the Avoidance of Content Regulation<br>
><br>
</span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> Hi,<br>
><br>
> Looks like a very good statement. I just have a small point, with regard to the<br>
> phrase "and whether hate speech -- illegal under some nations’ laws and<br>
> accord[ed] the highest protection under others -- was legitimate or not." Are<br>
> there any countries other than the United States which do not have any hate<br>
> speech laws? I am not aware of any, which makes the presentation of this<br>
> division seem a little misleading. And even for the United States, I'm not sure<br>
> it's accurate to describe hate speech as being accorded "the highest<br>
> protection" - surely it's protected in line with other forms of speech, but not<br>
> above them.<br>
><br>
> I would suggest this be rephrased to "and whether hate speech, whose<br>
> definition and legal status varies from country to country, was legitimate or<br>
> not." I think that makes it seem less US-focused.<br>
><br>
> Best wishes and congratulations on this great work,<br>
><br>
> Michael Karanicolas<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> > I have accepted and rejected various suggestions regarding the Statement.<br>
> > Please take a look<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1voPCb3EIi__umZ1b2RCwkWhyn9wjnL" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/1voPCb3EIi__<wbr>umZ1b2RCwkWhyn9wjnL</a><br>
> AkiW<br>
> > denT1dOKo/edit<br>
> ><br>
> > One commenter suggested that we make it a NCSG statement not just a<br>
> > NCUC statement. That is fine with me, but best to take a two-step<br>
> > process and start with NCUC – NPOC can then pass the same statement<br>
> > and it becomes a NCSG statement.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > From: Ncuc-discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss-bounces@<wbr>lists.ncuc.org</a>] On<br>
> > Behalf Of Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:14 PM<br>
> > To: Farell Folly <<a href="mailto:farellfolly@gmail.com">farellfolly@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > Cc: NCUC-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br>
> > Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Fwd: [call for comment] NCUC Statement on<br>
> > Domain Abuse and the Avoidance of Content Regulation<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Dear All,<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Firstly, thank you Milton for drafting the initial draft statement; I<br>
> > have incorporated comments within the Draft and also read others<br>
> > comments and draft revisions to the original statement; In summary,<br>
> > noting that within ICANN, there has been debate on what constitutes<br>
> > domain abuse and where there are two sides of the fence where on one<br>
> > hand you have people advocating for taking down a domain that has any<br>
> > hint of misbehavior and the other side who feel that Registries and<br>
> > Registrars have no responsibility towards a clean domain space.<br>
> > Domain abuse by the most common definition means domains registered<br>
> > for phishing, malware, botnets and domains advertised in spam. Most<br>
> > countries and jurisdictions declare these as illegal and harmful.<br>
> > There have been other internet stakeholders that consider other types<br>
> > of domain misuse just as abusive and illegal. Some examples include<br>
> > intellectual property infringement, copyright, trademark violations<br>
> > and certain types of what people may perceive to be objectionable content.<br>
> > In my personal opinion, abuse causes well defined harm to many<br>
> > organizations and individuals including Registries and Registrars.<br>
> > Consider the abuse of domain names to commit fraud during times of<br>
> > escalated crisis, where fake red cross domains soliciting donations<br>
> > aside from the spam that exploits one of the Pacific ccTLDs, ".pw" and a host<br>
> of other "abuse examples"<br>
> > In Europe, with domain name abuse related to ".eu", there are ADR<br>
> > Mechanisms aside not prejudicing the rights of EU Nationals to seek<br>
> > redress through the Courts.<br>
> > Spam is not less harmful than other forms of abuse since it is used to<br>
> > propagate phishing and malware sites threatening the security and not<br>
> > to mention at great economic cost to countries and to the average end user.<br>
> > Countries from least developed communities (LDCs) are severely<br>
> > impacted cost-wise and access wise.<br>
> > The Global Consumer Research 2015 study which looked at 6144 consumer<br>
> > responses revealed that 74% highlighted phishing, 79% highlighted<br>
> > spamming and 40% highlighted cybersquatting.<br>
> > Whilst from inception, Registries and Registrars traditionally did not<br>
> > include within their contractual obligations to mitigate abuse.<br>
> > Calls from the end users and regulators across different jurisdictions<br>
> > have shaped and influenced the evolution and push to bringing more<br>
> > accountability primarily amongst the Registrars and Registries.<br>
> > I believe that a key component is reducing the time to harm and<br>
> > removing the domain from the DNS as soon as reasonably possible once<br>
> > it is identified as harmful.<br>
> > The 2017 Base Registry Agreement has provisions which say, "Registry<br>
> > Operator shall take reasonable steps to investigate and respond to any<br>
> > reports from law enforcement and governmental and quasi-governmental<br>
> > agencies of illegal conduct in connection with the use of the TLD. In<br>
> > responding to such reports, Registry Operator will not be required to<br>
> > take any action in contravention of applicable law".<br>
> > In asking ICANN to define "Domain Abuse" we make it the Nexus which we<br>
> > are really trying to avoid when instead we let the community define<br>
> > what is Domain Abuse but what I suggest we do, is that in noting that<br>
> > ICANN is just one player in the entire ecosystem, we push regulation<br>
> > to the fringes whilst encouraging ICANN to continue what it is doing<br>
> > which is to espouse the safe and responsible creation of domains and use of<br>
> domains.<br>
> > These are additional thoughts to comments placed in the Statement that<br>
> > Milton drafted.<br>
> > I wish you all well in Abu Dhabi.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Kind Regards,<br>
> ><br>
> > Sala<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Dear all,<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Here is a draft NCUC statement on ICANN and content regulation which<br>
> > Milton Mueller has penned.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1voPCb3EIi__umZ1b2RCwkWhyn9wjnL" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/1voPCb3EIi__<wbr>umZ1b2RCwkWhyn9wjnL</a><br>
> AkiW<br>
> > denT1dOKo<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > According to our timeline for issuing statements, the pen holder<br>
> > drafts the statement sent to the list for comments. We will have 24<br>
> > hours to comment on the statement. The penholder or a member of EC<br>
> > will resolve the comments and finalize the draft and get it adopted by the<br>
> majority of the NCUC votes.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > If we can adopt the statement we will announce it on Tuesday during<br>
> > our constituency day.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Please comment and make suggestions.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > I’ll see some of you soon in Abu Dhabi.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Those of you who will participate remotely i will make sure that we<br>
> > will keep you engaged in the meetings. If you don’t have time to<br>
> > participate, Ill send regular updates to the mailing list.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Best<br>
> ><br>
> > Farzaneh<br>
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