<div dir="ltr">All,<div><br></div><div>I agree with Stephanie's comment and endorse Ayden's proposal (and the way he's framed it as a global issue) for the GAC session.<div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Nick</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><b>Nick Shorey</b><div>Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988</div><div>Email: <a href="mailto:lists@nickshorey.com" target="_blank">lists@nickshorey.com</a></div><div>Skype: nick.shorey</div><div>Twitter: @nickshorey</div><div>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin" target="_blank">www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin</a></div><div>Web: <a href="http://www.nickshorey.com" target="_blank">www.nickshorey.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 1:45 AM, Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">In my view, all
          government reps to the GAC need to consult their Justice
          Departments, and not just the criminal law or cybercrime
          divisions.  There are constitutional, due process, and data
          protection issues which are raised by the data handling
          practices at ICANN.  The DPAs need to remain independent.</font></font></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
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    <div class="m_6742787326493593710moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-10-18 19:08, Ayden Férdeline
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      <div>I think it would be worth asking how and with whom GAC
        members consult on matters to do with privacy and data
        protection. Maybe we could offer them some pointers on who we
        think they should be speaking with, and when, and make it clear
        that they need to go out and seek the advice of Data Protection
        Authorities (DPA). Law enforcement might be proactive, coming to
        them — however the onus is on the GAC members to get their
        national DPA involved at times.<br>
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      <div>It depends who is at the table in our meeting with them, but
        if the participants are global, I'd suggest we avoid framing
        this as a European battle, because the principles that GDPR
        encompasses are the same ones which can be found in the OECD
        Privacy Framework and the CoE's Convention 108, among other
        non-binding and binding documents.<br>
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      <div>Best wishes, Ayden<br>
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        <div>Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] [Request for Comment] NCUC
          meeting with GAC<br>
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        <div>Local Time: 16 October 2017 12:28 AM<br>
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        <div>To: farzaneh badii <a class="m_6742787326493593710moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank"><farzaneh.badii@gmail.com></a><br>
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          <div class="gmail_extra">Hi Farzaneh,<br>
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          <div class="gmail_extra">Thanks for sharing this,<br>
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          <div class="gmail_extra">looks fine with me. for privacy, I
            understand that is about GDPR? we discussed that during the
            last NCSG call and there was a proposal to approach GAC on
            the topic.<br>
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          <div class="gmail_extra">what is the format of the joint
            meetings with GAC? the only experience we have is the
            GAC-GNSO and GAC-Board meetings, which is not what we are
            looking for probably.<br>
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          <div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br>
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          <div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br>
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              <div>2017-10-16 8:22 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                  <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As you
                    know we will meet with GAC for half an hour in Abu
                    Dhabi.<br>
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                  <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The idea
                    of meeting with them is to tell them who we are,
                    what we do. <br>
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                  <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Also we
                    want to discuss: jurisdiction and privacy and if
                    time allows Geo names. <br>
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                  <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Any
                    comments on the topics or our approach to the
                    meeting?<br>
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                  <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best<br>
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